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Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: mairajbhaii
Date: March 8, 2025, 6:32 pm
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Hi I received this PCN, HN71513688, kindly help what can be
done, I have appealed to make some time as the traffic was
moving slow and the cars in front stalled although signal was
green, morning rush hour, also I had my 7 month old daughter
crying at back child seat who's seat strap I was adjusting while
the traffic was moving very slow. Video is not viewing properly.
Any help is appreciated
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: MrChips
Date: March 8, 2025, 6:53 pm
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I can't get the video to work either. Unless one of the team
here can extract it you may need to get in touch with the
council.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: mairajbhaii
Date: March 9, 2025, 8:24 pm
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I have received this reply from them after i have challeneged
the PCN, although now I coudl not see the video evidence on the
link, its not accessible.
What other ways i can view the video and how do I proceed now. I
have now requested for SAR from council, if they send me over
the video however I think overall it wont be more than few
seconds while I was moving ahead with that rush hour traffic
quite slowly but not stationary.
Any help is appreciated
Regards
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 10, 2025, 6:03 am
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On the contravention there's nothing we can do til we see the
video so focus on getting it.
There may be issues with Hillingdon's process and another member
may know more.
#Post#: 61672--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: MrChips
Date: March 10, 2025, 11:03 am
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When you say you "challenged" the PCN, did you submit formal
representations against the PCN, or a simple request for the
video footage pending submitting representations?
I'd suggest you attempt to contact the council by phone or email
to bring to their attention the lack of video (not sure how easy
this will be - some councils make direct contact difficult!).
#Post#: 61687--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 10, 2025, 11:46 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> On the contravention there's nothing we can do til we see the
video so focus on getting it.
>
> There may be issues with Hillingdon's process and another
member may know more.
>
--- End Quote ---
First. the PCN is invalid re the increase. Not before the end of
28 days of the PCN date. They can only serve a C.C. after 28
days from the date of service. This is yet another council with
the wrong date, Haringey and Hounslow being the others. Must be
an alphabetical problem.
Second, back later with a draft..
@cp8759 re the PCN.
#Post#: 61780--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: mairajbhaii
Date: March 10, 2025, 5:54 pm
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I have tried calling them on Hillingdon Council's parking
enforcement hotline at 01895 271 418, but recording says to
follow online website for any pcn appeals or pay, and nothing
else.
So i have requested for SAR, if this helps, but no other way i
can find to approach them.
Have reviewed some cases where it says theres appeal allowed
where de minimis 4 or 6 seconds wait is evident by vdo. But here
they may have deliberately not uploaded the vdo.
Regards
#Post#: 61787--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 10, 2025, 6:01 pm
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Do you get my drift?????????????????
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52(m)-pcn-nor-help-(downhills-park-rd-n17)/msg54651/#msg54651
Don't even consider paying it and forget phone calls.
#Post#: 61796--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: mairajbhaii
Date: March 10, 2025, 9:20 pm
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SUBJECT: Appeal for alleged 31J – PCN HN71513688 (Vehicle FORD
FOCUS Blue 2007) – plate no. BK07OGL
Dear Sir,
I have already sent a response to the subject matter, and now
again would like to make notice that the subject matter evidence
of VIDEO IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, and only some photos can be viewed
online.
I have also requested for SAR as well incase if I do not get
response within time of notice period.
Kindly see to this request and allow me to appeal against this
alleged contravention, which may have occurred only for some
seconds while I was moving forward and front vehicle could not
have moved forward due to sudden stalling of vehicles in front,
I was travelling to drop-off at my in-laws, my 7-month daughter
and she was crying behind driver’s seat in her child seat, claim
already lodged with child seat company due to duaghter’s unease
and uncomfortable posture making difficult her to breathe and
chin-up, so I had to calm her down as well during this slow
moving rush hour traffic in the morning. This sudden abrupt
stalling of lsow moving vehicles has not made any blockade to
any incoming traffic as you can see from the photos the police
vehicle beside my car has also moved ahead in same manner,
however I had to stop for some seconds to clear way front
vehicle which stopped abruptly leaving me no choice but to wait
for a while.
Is this reply/letter okay for council, maybe they will listen to
such cry :'(
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN
HN71513688
DIR By: MrChips
Date: March 11, 2025, 3:51 am
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Is that draft intended to be a second challenge? What did you
write in the first one?
Either way, I don't suggest you send that. Hippocrates has
highlighted a flaw in the wording of your PCN which would likely
render it invalid (there is certain mandatory information it is
obliged to include and so if that wording isn't there, or
doesn't accurately convey the required information, then you can
argue the PCN is unenforceable). He even provided a link to
another similar case to show you how this argument has succeeded
in the recent past.
So, if you are going to send a second challenge, I strongly
suggest it includes his argument (plus a request for the video
footage). But first tell us what was in your original
challenge, and let him guide you as to a suitable form of words
to argue against the PCN wording.
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