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#Post#: 60865--------------------------------------------------
Declared driver
DIR By: Anon
Date: March 6, 2025, 5:07 am
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Hi all. I received a speeding fine from police as Rk. I duly
filed in the named driver details and returned it. I am being
taken to court for failure to supply named driver details but
the driver completed the form in front of me (I made sure). But
the police saying that they letters are coming back
undeliverable and no such person at address but he has replied
to them(have they lost it in post?). Please help. What more can
I do ?
#Post#: 60883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declared driver
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: March 6, 2025, 5:45 am
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Did the driver (or you) keep a copy of what was sent back?
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Re: Declared driver
DIR By: Anon
Date: March 6, 2025, 5:53 am
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Unfortunately not. I should have.but the police did send me a
letter stating that the named driver is not responding means.
Which means they got my original filled out form. I will double
check for any copies
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Re: Declared driver
DIR By: BertB
Date: March 6, 2025, 5:54 am
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> What more can I do ?
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You can give us some more background info.
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> I duly filed in the named driver details and returned it
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> the driver completed the form in front of me (I made sure)
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Which one is it? Who posted it? Did they get proof of postage?
Did you have the opportunity to submit the driver details
online?
What address are the police writing to that is getting returned
to them? Have they stated what they have on record? You said
that the nominated driver replied to their own notice, however
that seems to contradict what the Police are saying. Did they
contact you again to say they had issues with the supplied
postal address and ask you to resubmit details?
When you watched the driver complete the form, did they put
their correct address in? What relationship are they to you?
Were they insured on the vehicle?
Normally, the nominated driver would be the one facing a charge
of failure to supply but in this case, if the police have
checked the address and found it does not exist it would suggest
they think there are shenanigans afoot. Would which beg the
question, if the address doesn't exist, how did the nominated
driver receive a notice to reply to?
#Post#: 60894--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declared driver
DIR By: Anon
Date: March 6, 2025, 6:06 am
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There is no relationship he is a friend. The address is real. He
took out one day online insurance. As I have stated the first
letter for details came to me because I was RK and I filed it in
and sent it which the police confirmed that they got this. Then
the named driver received the form through post and he duly
filled it out and returned it accepting liability but the police
saying nothing has been received.
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Re: Declared driver
DIR By: BertB
Date: March 6, 2025, 6:44 am
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But you are also telling us that their letters were coming back
undeliverable and no person known at this address. Why was that?
What address was replying with that information to them. Did you
see your friend return their copy?
In general, once liability has been passed the police will
usually take things up with the nominated person. They may well
come back to you upon no reply which we have seen come up here
before, but other than reiterating the address you issued (your
friend issued) is correct, I'm not sure how they can be in the
position to say you did not comply with their request. And this
is where it stops being straight-forward..
You have replied, they have acknowledged that but they now
believe that the address you supplied did not comply with their
request. Your friend filled in his details. Your friend said he
replied. The Police say the only reply they had was to say no
one of that name at that address. What proof do you have that
your friend complied with his request and didn't play silly
buggers and followed some MITP advice of 'reply with not known
mate'?
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Re: Declared driver
DIR By: Anon
Date: March 6, 2025, 6:57 am
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Well he is adamant he replied but I can’t confirm 100%. We had a
big argument about this. It has gone to court in my name. I am
getting charged with speeding and failure to supply driver
details. My so called friend is not willing to be wittiness to
it in court. I will have to accept the speeding but don’t want
extra points for failure to supply driver details.
#Post#: 60912--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declared driver
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: March 6, 2025, 7:09 am
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You can’t (* it is often argued) “accept the speeding” because
you weren’t the driver.
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Re: Declared driver
DIR By: BertB
Date: March 6, 2025, 7:17 am
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You cannot plead guilty to being the driver as you weren't the
driver.
However, that you have been dual charged suggests that they the
Police think you have not been honest with them. I would tread
carefully about your next move. You are either suggesting you
did supply a fake address, or defending the FTF charge as you
replied to it with the information you had. Which was supplied
to you by the driver.
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> My so called friend is not willing to be wittiness to it in
court.
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Of course he isn't.
Personally, based on that and 'not known at this address', I
think it sounds like your friend has stitched you up here. Is
there any images of these returned letters in the SJPN pack?
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Re: Declared driver
DIR By: Anon
Date: March 6, 2025, 7:26 am
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No. Just the reply from court of what I am being charged with.
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