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#Post#: 61001--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: March 6, 2025, 2:21 pm
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I have visited the site again today to see the signage,
unfortunately there is plenty of it! No idea how it was missed.
However, I have found at least one other person on social media
who missed the signs, and as they had a meal in the pub they
actually got out and walked past them all.
The only issue with the signage was it is angled the wrong way
to see if you enter from the right, which is the way the car I
was a passenger in, entered. Both entrances have the signs
facing left. Also, they are high up out of eyeline, although as
you will see from the photos there are plenty of them
unfortunately.
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#Post#: 62114--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: March 12, 2025, 10:17 am
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A POPLA appeal is being prepared based on information supplied
by b789 above, and I wonder if anyone considers the signage
inadequate at the entrance the vehicle entered the car park? I
attach links to the images showing the road and car park
entrance below. The red arrow in 2nd pic shows the West
entrance to the car park that was used in this instance.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/hAinrZ2m.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/sYyMsh3m.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ZkaDYsbm.jpg
I assume I have to appeal to the parking company first to get a
number to use at POPLA.
Thank you in anticipation
#Post#: 62143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: b789
Date: March 12, 2025, 12:20 pm
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You have to have your initial appeal to the operator rejected
before you get a POPLA code. As any initial appeal is going to
be rejected simply appeal with the following for now:
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the
unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking
charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
>
> As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. Premier Park has relied on contract law
allegations of breach against the driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
Premier Park have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us
both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 62319--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: March 13, 2025, 9:43 am
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Thank you b789.
#Post#: 63416--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: March 20, 2025, 8:23 am
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Just to update this thread, I have today appealed on behalf of
the registered keeper with the wording supplied, I noticed the
sneaky drop down box which was automatically set at registered
keeper and driver, changed that pretty quick!
We have also now received their next letter, advising that we
are now unable to take advantage of the discounted fine offer,
and risk the debt being sent to a debt collector, oh well.
I await rejection of the appeal!
#Post#: 66441--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: April 10, 2025, 7:20 am
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We have received notification of rejection of appeal, can anyone
point me in the right direction of wording to use for POPLA
appeal please?
#Post#: 66456--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: b789
Date: April 10, 2025, 9:01 am
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...and what was their reason for rejecting the appeal?
#Post#: 66838--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: April 13, 2025, 3:49 am
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Thank you for your reply, I have attached screen shots of the
reply below.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/GzRPLu4m.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/TVgFeHfm.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/a87R5cEm.jpg
#Post#: 68278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: April 23, 2025, 7:43 am
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Can anyone help with a POPLA reply please?
#Post#: 68738--------------------------------------------------
Re: Premier Park PCN pulled into a closed pub car park for 20
minutes didn't see warning signs
DIR By: yorkshirepudding
Date: April 26, 2025, 4:06 am
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I have 3 days to get the POPLA appeal in, can anyone advise if I
am just focussing on the lack of registered address on the
signage or if any other information will strengthen this case
please?
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