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Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving th
e rejection letter
By: marie Date: March 4, 2025, 5:59 am
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Quite URGENT matter as I have no idea what happens next.
[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving
the rejection letter even though I was in contact via phone call
and emailed as I was told to.
Authority : Lambeth Council
Contravention : PCN 53j - Entering the Time Restricted
Pedestrian Street - Bowling Green Street
Location : Bowling Green St, London SE11 4QA
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dN8Phx5aE6KQxoH49
Entered turning left from Kennington Road at 2.45pm on Thursday
21st November 2024
Time restriction : Monday to Friday 8.15am - 9.15am and 2.45pm -
3.45pm.
I was on the courtesy motorcycle, the initial PCN was redirected
to my name and was sent to my address.
The PCN was issued to me on the 13/Dec/2024 which I received on
18/Dec/2024.
I wanted to informally challenge the PCN and I believed that
even my case was to be rejected, the charge will still be at
discounted amount at £65.
PCN Arrived on 2024.Dec.18
[img width=586 height=789]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/tFsJGWR.png[/img]
I tried on-line informal challenge but the on-line system was
not allowing me to do anything.
I called 020 7926 9000 and spoke to a lady called Angie and
explained the situation.
She had told me to emailed to environment@lambeth.gov.uk and
explain the situation.
She also told me to call back and ask to get the confirmation on
email being logged to the system.
So I emailed on 19/Dec/2024, which I have the copy of the email
in my sent box in my email account.
Email I sent dated 2024.Dec.19
[img width=894 height=673]
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I also called back on 6/Jan/2025 to ask to check but the
different lady who I spoke then told me that she was not able to
check.
And she told me to wait for the post.
Dates of Calls I made
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I waited.
Then 4/Feb/2025 I was surprised by Charge Certificate.
And the charge was increased at not just £130 but £195.
And they are saying they will increase the fee after the 14 days
from 28th January.
Arrived on 2025.02.04
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HTML https://imgur.com/gukRikb[/img]
There were no access other than the postal service and those
dates they state as 14 days are not actually 14 days as there
are time delays.
Then the rejection letter dated 2025.Feb.11
Arrived on 2025.02.18
[img width=575 height=777]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/PX9gs1t.png[/img]
Every contact I made had not given me the right information or
explanation for me to understand in order to make the choice
suited to my situation.
They are dealing with PCN day in and day out and their
profession is to reject as many PCN as possible with no personal
risk to them. All the letters I received has no name and I am
against a brick wall.
For anyone receiving PCN, it is personal and the stake is too
high for the risk we take to challenging it.
They also hold our personal information and this could even
affect our personal credit score.
I was involved in an accident in Oct 2024 and have been having
problem with wording composing, simplifying the story also
taking in informations are near impossible.
I have not just shot my foot but I seem to have shot in the head
by trying to informally challenge, well, I was asking a question
in a first place.
I really should have paid £65.
It was genuine mistake in the first place but their system
changes made my case even more complicated.
The point in the first place was:
I had entered the street at wrong timing twice before I received
the first PCN to realise.
And the sign post is not placed adequately for any vehicle
approaching to turn left into the Bowling Green Street that I
was not able to notice the signpost.
Since I had received the PCN, I know where the signpost is and I
have tried many times to notice the sign post whilst paying
attention to any potential hazards, it is impossible as it is
not angled to be visible to the vehicle approaching to turn left
into the street.
The images I have taken from the road position where I would be
riding.
Timing of when the post-van is there, it blocks the view
completely
[img width=1100
height=1466]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/3E8m4ZD.jpg[/img]
The Big Tree is hiding the signpost
[img width=1100
height=1466]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/plzJeHC.jpg[/img]
Neither of the signpost is facing vehicle approaching
[img width=1100
height=1466]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/2YK0hC2.jpg[/img]
Able to all the other signpost except the one I got PCN for as
it is blended into the background
[img width=1100
height=1466]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ubOgOSl.jpg[/img]
By the time I am at the junction to enter the street, I am right
by the side of the sign and they are above my head. I am waring
a full-face helmet and I cannot see above.
But now turned into unfair rejection with the increased charge
and power harassment by the authority.
The stress it is causing and hardship with the threat to
increase the charge plus the court fee etc.
Anyone who has no time, no energy, not enough knowledge to deal
with the matter are threatened to pay the charge.
Which used to be dealt with a simple phone call with a real
person and the situation was to be listened and taken into
account, the genuine mistake was not to be penalised / punished.
It seems anyone wanting to challenge it, has to take up so much
learning to even ask a question.
I don’t know where to get help, who I am supposed to be talking
to, it is getting out of hand.
I have no idea when this will be going to court or will I get
informed?
I don’t even know what I have to do to get this charge dropped
or at least at £65
Asking for a solicitor will increase the cost even more and what
am I supposed to be doing with this matter?
#Post#: 60505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: DWMB2 Date: March 4, 2025, 6:05 am
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This is a council PCN so I have moved this post to the Civil
penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on)
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/<br
/>forum.
To help the users there provide you with the best advice, please
read the following thread carefully and provide as much of the
information it requests as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST -
**BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, This section is for council, TFL,
Dart/Mersey/Tyne etc. cases
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>
#Post#: 60509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: Hippocrates Date: March 4, 2025, 6:14 am
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[member=4627]marie[/member] I have dealt with this outfit many
times. Just wait for the Order for Recovery and tick the PE form
box which states you made representations but did not receive a
notice of rejection. This need to be signed in front of a
witness, either a solicitor or county court - the latter id free
but needs an appointment.
I am more than happy to assist.
#Post#: 60531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: H C Andersen Date: March 4, 2025, 7:10 am
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OP, let's get who's who sorted out first, it's important.
Contravention : PCN 53j - Entering the Time Restricted
Pedestrian Street - Bowling Green Street
Location : Bowling Green St, London SE11 4QA
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dN8Phx5aE6KQxoH49
Entered turning left from Kennington Road at 2.45pm on Thursday
21st November 2024
Time restriction : Monday to Friday 8.15am - 9.15am and
2.45pm - 3.45pm.
I was on the courtesy motorcycle, the initial PCN was redirected
to my name and was sent to my address.
The PCN was issued to me on the 13/Dec/2024 which I received on
18/Dec/2024.
I was on the courtesy motorcycle, the initial PCN was redirected
to my name and was sent to my address.
No such thing as a 'courtesy' vehicle in this process, you
either had a vehicle hired to you by a vehicle hire company in
respect of which you'd signed a 'statement of liability' or you
didn't.
Pl forget about the contravention, this doesn't enter into
matters until we know who in law is liable to pay any penalty.
So, to whom was the PCN addressed? You by name or what?
Do you have a 'hire agreement' and if so we need to see it pl.
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: Enceladus Date: March 4, 2025, 7:36 am
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Also this concerns a London Local Authorities and Transport for
London Act 2003 PCN. There is no informal representation stage
with these. The person or entity to whom the PCN is addressed
can only submit a "formal" representation.
And any such representation should be made using the
instructions on the PCN. You haven't posted up all of the PCN
pages but does the PCN say that you can submit a representation
to the email address environment@lambeth.gov.uk? I doubt that it
does. And did you supply your name and address as well as the
PCN number and car reg?
The "rejection" is not a proper Notice of Rejection of your
representation, even though it implies it is, as it does not
provide any details as to how to appeal the matter to the
Independent Adjudicator.
It is a response to your follow up phone calls. Please post up
any missing pages.
Please answer HCA's questions above?
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: Hippocrates Date: March 4, 2025, 8:33 am
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Sometimes Barbour Logic is intermittent. environment@lambeth is
acceptable.
#Post#: 60559--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: Enceladus Date: March 4, 2025, 9:41 am
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Since the OP raised the question: "They also hold our personal
information and this could even affect our personal credit
score."
This won't affect your credit score. It's not like a County
Court Judgement which would be recorded with the credit rating
agencies.
What happens next or rather what to do about it depends on whose
name and address is on the PCN and the Charge Certificate. And
the hire agreement, if there is one.
#Post#: 60594--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: ivanleo Date: March 4, 2025, 1:46 pm
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[member=4627]marie[/member] can we please see all sides of all
pages of the notice of rejection? Please leave the date of the
notice visible. If what you've said is correct, this should be a
really easy appeal and you don't need to bother with the TEC
process at all, but I need to see the NOR in full to be sure.
#Post#: 60953--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: marie Date: March 6, 2025, 8:53 am
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No wonder I did not realise I had so many replies,
I was checking for the notifications in the messages in this
account
and not my own email account.
This is how bad my brain is at the moment.
[member=103]DWMB2[/member]
Thanks for moving the post to the right forum, I did read the
‘Before posting’ but could not take in so much information…
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member]
Thank you very much
I have signed the petition before posting
[member=428]H C Andersen[/member]
The vehicle was hired to me and I signed the ‘Agreement’ I
assume the liability is with in the agreement as standard.
This particular PCN was addressed to me by my name and address
as I received at my address on 2024.12.18.
“ Add image of Hire agreement ”
Hire Agreement start date 2024.10.23
HTML https://imgur.com/a/MWzQmT7
[member=38]Enceladus[/member]
Was it my misunderstanding and shot myself in the head?
I was on-line to try to informally challenge it which was not
possible. Therefore I made a phone call to explain believing
that the reason why I was not able to submit the informal
challenge via on-line was because the name of the PCN was
changed to me from the hire company.
I was given the email address by the lady I spoke on the phone
on 020 7926 9000
In the email I sent on the next day of receiving the email,
I supplied
PCN number - which they would have all the info attached
within their system
Reg number
My name
I was trying to do as much as I could with my confused brain
with headache and Tinnitus and I might not had composed the
email correctly.
I have been having problems with processing words, language and
massed of information. And still dealing with the insurance
company, NHS and Chiropractor etc.
I have emailed, called, posted, plus I have submitted on-line
challenge which on 2025.02.23 was rejected on
I have to go through by timeline to upload as much as I can.
My apology for taking time due to my brain which gets confused
and lose focus then get headache.
“ Add all pages ”
PCN Received 2024.12.18 (Dated 2024.12.13)
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pcn-received-2024-12-18-dated-2024-12-13-p8Bfbi5
CC Received 2025.02.04 (Dated 2025.01.28)
HTML https://imgur.com/a/iX5Bmz6
Letter (Rejected?) Received 2025.02.18 (Dated 2025.02.11)
HTML https://imgur.com/a/vUcAX7l
Letter with copies of my previous letters Received 2025.03.03
(Dated 2025.02.21)
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pRpE0Eh
Letter Received 2025.03.03 (Dated 2025.02.27)
HTML https://imgur.com/a/1jSrWMn
[member=38]Enceladus[/member]
I read it somewhere it would go to county court at some point?
And affect my license points or something. I might have read it
wrong knowing my brain…
[member=1]cp8759[/member]
“ Add notice of rejection “ all pages
Added above,
Additional document : Online Challenge Submission
HTML https://imgur.com/a/t5RDMv7
Apologise for taking so long to reply, it is really hard.
#Post#: 61000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receivin
g the rejection letter
By: ivanleo Date: March 6, 2025, 1:48 pm
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[member=4627]marie[/member] you need to read this guide and just
follow the instructions
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/
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