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#Post#: 60384--------------------------------------------------
TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
DIR By: observer22
Date: March 3, 2025, 10:19 am
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Hello,
I received a PCN for being in a bus lane. The bus lane is in
operation 24/7 and I briefly entered it to avoid stopping for a
car turning right. Not an excuse but then the bus lanes on this
road are 95% of the time empty... The camera is fairly recent as
well, was installed in the past few weeks / months.
Are there any ways to get this ticket challenged ? I am happy to
try as long as there are some chances of success.
I don't know if it's relevant but I am no longer the registered
keeper of the car, although I was on the day of the
contravention.
This is the spot on google maps:
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B025'45.7%22N+0%C2%B000'51.0%22W/@51.4293618,-0.0148127,247
And here is the PCN:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/rP4PTt8.png
Is there any technical argument that can be used against TFL ? I
remember that I while ago bus cameras weren't legally approved
to be used for enforcement.
Thanks.
#Post#: 60392--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 3, 2025, 10:38 am
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There are at least these 'Bromley Roads' in the TfL area
Bromley Road (E17)
Bromley Road (N17)
Bromley Road (SE6)
Bromley Road Chislehurst
Bromley Road Beckenham
Does Bromley Road SE BND mean SE as in postal district or
South-East Bound as in direction of travel?
It may be clutching at straws, but the location is meant to
readily identify the location to the registered keeper, who may
well not have been the driver on the day in question.
You need to telephone TfL and ask for them to send you the video
(the evidence) and place the PCN on hold whilst they do so, and
do watch deadlines.
#Post#: 60432--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 3, 2025, 1:17 pm
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I have a technical appeal re the PCN and will dig it out later.
I have won 4 out of 4 recently.
#Post#: 60471--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
DIR By: observer22
Date: March 4, 2025, 3:26 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> There are at least these 'Bromley Roads' in the TfL area
> Bromley Road (E17)
> Bromley Road (N17)
> Bromley Road (SE6)
> Bromley Road Chislehurst
> Bromley Road Beckenham
>
> Does Bromley Road SE BND mean SE as in postal district or
South-East Bound as in direction of travel?
>
> It may be clutching at straws, but the location is meant to
readily identify the location to the registered keeper, who may
well not have been the driver on the day in question.
>
> You need to telephone TfL and ask for them to send you the
video (the evidence) and place the PCN on hold whilst they do
so, and do watch deadlines.
>
--- End Quote ---
If we decode the location as "Bromley Road South-East Bound
Opposite Watermead Road" then that is accurate. It looks like
there is only one "Watermead Road" in the whole of London ...
Called TfL and asked for the video as well.
#Post#: 60472--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
DIR By: observer22
Date: March 4, 2025, 3:27 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> I have a technical appeal re the PCN and will dig it out
later. I have won 4 out of 4 recently.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would be happy to give it a go, thanks!
#Post#: 60555--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Driving in a bus lane, Bromley Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 4, 2025, 8:53 am
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1. Ask for the video.
2. My draft is here which may need to be tweaked:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/bus-lane-pcn-tfl-a406-n-circular-w-bnd-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg39529/#msg39529
3. No evidence of upright warning signs 958 or Bus lane sign
959B passed.
4. Inexact locus.
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