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#Post#: 64735--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: Jay_Mandalia
Date: March 29, 2025, 6:58 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking
Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FeJrTnVktgE_T1Z2JslyCUTgk3YZFK82/view.
>
> Any sign of the NTO yet?
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi there, thank you for getting the TMO for me, I appreciate it
a lot.
I unfortunately got a bit carried away and posted a formal
appeal a day ago :-\. I've attached the file of what I've sent
to the Council, let me know what you think.
--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are
local.
>
> Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos)
of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are
trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so
definitively.
>
> No substantially compliant parking place markings = no
contravention.
>
> Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO
restriction = no contravention.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes I agree with you. I went ahead with No parking place
markings. I will later today show where I was parked, theres
some cars currently parked at the location now.
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#Post#: 64779--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 29, 2025, 12:09 pm
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Part of what you've submitted is misconceived (the CEO handbook
has no legal weight whatsoever), but we are where we are.
#Post#: 65042--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: Jay_Mandalia
Date: March 31, 2025, 1:34 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Part of what you've submitted is misconceived (the CEO
handbook has no legal weight whatsoever), but we are where we
are.
>
--- End Quote ---
I understand. My fault for getting carried away. :(
--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking
Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FeJrTnVktgE_T1Z2JslyCUTgk3YZFK82/view.
>
> Any sign of the NTO yet?
>
--- End Quote ---
Also I've realised something. It states ' Dongola Road West, the
north side, from a point 3.5 metres west of a point opposite the
westernmost wall of Bemersyde Point, Dongola Road West westward
for a distance of 2.4
metres and which has a width throughout of 4.3 metres. Special
manner of parking 90° to the edge of the carriageway '.
Which I believe is referring to this bay
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZRNofGpB1nygRUNs5
. It mentions about 90
degree so i'm pretty sure they are referring to this bay. The
sign does state permit holders only, but it has been changed in
which I have attached a picture for reference of that sign (Do
have to zoom in a little).
This is the closet thing that relates to where I've parked '
"THE NEWHAM (PLAISTOW NORTH) (DISABLED RESIDENT PARKING PLACES)
(NO. 2, 2017) (AMENDMENT NO. 4) ORDER 2022". It mentions 'the
north side of Dongola Road West, outside the Howard Baker
Nursery'. However, I looked online and can't find anything
relating to Howard Baker Nursery so technically like you
mentioned this bay really doesn't exist then?
--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are
local.
>
> Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos)
of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are
trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so
definitively.
>
> No substantially compliant parking place markings = no
contravention.
>
> Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO
restriction = no contravention.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry I'm aware you have requested not GSV photos but there are
still some cars at the location so I provided a snip of the area
from 2016 and added lines to show where I was parked. Not the
best of picture, sorry.
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#Post#: 65044--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 31, 2025, 1:40 pm
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With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at
something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a
notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
#Post#: 65047--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: Jay_Mandalia
Date: March 31, 2025, 1:49 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at
something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a
notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
>
--- End Quote ---
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of
my formal appeal.
#Post#: 65051--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 31, 2025, 1:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Jay_Mandalia link ---
>
> [quote author=cp8759 link=topic=5308.msg65044#msg65044
date=1743446427]
> With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at
something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a
notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
>
--- End Quote ---
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of
my formal appeal.
[/quote]
Please don't get ahead of yourself, you've not made an appeal,
you've not even made a formal representation. Let us know when
you receive the notice to owner and we will help you draft a
formal representation. Please don't go it alone because if you
do and it doesn't work out, it then may be too late for us to
help.
#Post#: 65052--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: Jay_Mandalia
Date: March 31, 2025, 2:11 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [quote author=Jay_Mandalia link=topic=5308.msg65047#msg65047
date=1743446967]
> [quote author=cp8759 link=topic=5308.msg65044#msg65044
date=1743446427]
> With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at
something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a
notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
>
--- End Quote ---
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of
my formal appeal.
[/quote]
Please don't get ahead of yourself, you've not made an appeal,
you've not even made a formal representation. Let us know when
you receive the notice to owner and we will help you draft a
formal representation. Please don't go it alone because if you
do and it doesn't work out, it then may be too late for us to
help.
[/quote]
I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment
mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up
slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my
Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very
silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but
if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter
right?
#Post#: 65054--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 31, 2025, 2:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Jay_Mandalia link ---
>
> I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment
mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up
slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my
Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very
silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but
if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter
right?
>
--- End Quote ---
Right, I see what you mean, so you've made a formal
representation and you're waiting for the notice of rejection.
Let us know when you get it and we'll see what the options are.
#Post#: 65060--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: Jay_Mandalia
Date: March 31, 2025, 2:55 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [quote author=Jay_Mandalia link=topic=5308.msg65052#msg65052
date=1743448295]
> I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment
mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up
slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my
Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very
silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but
if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter
right?
>
--- End Quote ---
Right, I see what you mean, so you've made a formal
representation and you're waiting for the notice of rejection.
Let us know when you get it and we'll see what the options are.
[/quote]No worries, I will update here on the outcome as soon as
I receive the letter. Thank you :)
#Post#: 65285--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Newham Council - Contravention Code: 40
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 1, 2025, 3:48 pm
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For later, the permit parking places are apparently implemented
by The Newham (Prince Regent) (Parking Places) (No. 1) Order
2014
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SPqkX65Yy0n-vXkFYRqWuI8sXmN8J4u-/view.<br
/>I'll ask for the amendment that turned it into a PPA.
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