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#Post#: 60046--------------------------------------------------
PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: anonymous
Date: February 28, 2025, 1:21 pm
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Hi All,
A family member has approached me for advice this time. They
received 2 tickets on the same day (different roads) for
parking. They appealed those within the 14 days time frame but
did not receive a reply to their appeals - instead they received
the 2 respective NTO's which means that they lose the discounted
rate.
Am I right in assuming that they need to appeal the NTO's and
wait for the charge certificate so they can select the option
that they never received the replies?
I have attached the PCN and NTO's if you guys wish to peruse
them.
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#Post#: 60052--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 28, 2025, 1:42 pm
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Missing a reply to an informal challenge is not grounds for
anything other than saying you didn't get it in the formal
challenge to the NTO, which if made in time (which you must do)
means no charge certificate will be served unless you fail to
pay or make reps (and then if they reject and you don't get that
rejection you can go down the reset charge certificate/order for
recovery process).
What are the circumstances for each PCN - it's possible to beat
these Redbridge parked without paying PCNs on grounds including
the first hour is free.
#Post#: 60056--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 28, 2025, 2:29 pm
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instead they received the 2 respective NTO's which means that
they lose the discounted rate.
[Wrong. Authorities often re-offer the discount after
unsuccessful reps]
Am I right in assuming that they need to appeal the NTO's and
wait for the charge certificate so they can select the option
that they never received the replies?
No. See the Chief Adjudicator's Annual Report, page 5 Statutory
Declarations and Witness Statements.
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Annual%20report%20202324.pdf
#Post#: 60324--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: anonymous
Date: March 3, 2025, 4:58 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Missing a reply to an informal challenge is not grounds for
anything other than saying you didn't get it in the formal
challenge to the NTO, which if made in time (which you must do)
means no charge certificate will be served unless you fail to
pay or make reps (and then if they reject and you don't get that
rejection you can go down the reset charge certificate/order for
recovery process).
>
> What are the circumstances for each PCN - it's possible to
beat these Redbridge parked without paying PCNs on grounds
including the first hour is free.
>
--- End Quote ---
So they claim that they normally park there on Khartoum Road
with no problems. It seems that they have changed the signs
recently and they did not notice. I think on the other one was a
case of not having anywhere else to park (will have to confirm)
as that is their road where they live.
I am not sure I understand what you mean by
--- Quote ---
> Missing a reply to an informal challenge is not grounds for
anything other than saying you didn't get it in the formal
challenge to the NTO
--- End Quote ---
. Is this to say that they can't bring that up at all as they
have now lost out on the 50% discount for both pcns?
#Post#: 60334--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 3, 2025, 6:01 am
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You can state in reps that no replies were received for informal
challenges. They will reoffer the discounts in rejections.
If you can post the challenges we may be able to work up
something extra.
#Post#: 60934--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: anonymous
Date: March 6, 2025, 7:43 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> You can state in reps that no replies were received for
informal challenges. They will reoffer the discounts in
rejections.
>
> If you can post the challenges we may be able to work up
something extra.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hello again Chaps. I have just received the challenges they have
sent - I would say that challenging tickets is not their strong
suit.
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I would add for this one what they did not write is that
although not a valid excuse, the street was full and there was
no other place to park. The driver was suffering from a very
painful case of gout and was having trouble walking.
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#Post#: 61336--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: anonymous
Date: March 8, 2025, 8:49 am
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Shall I just go with no replies received then?
--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> You can state in reps that no replies were received for
informal challenges. They will reoffer the discounts in
rejections.
>
> If you can post the challenges we may be able to work up
something extra.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 61342--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 8, 2025, 9:26 am
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Neither of these make much sense.
The one in Roman Road shows the car at the end of the bay to the
right but the parking signs pic taken by the CEO indicates a
resident's bay to the right not a pay bay.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/99TsHLnW/Screenshot-2025-03-08-at-15-15-50.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/dwhjsMMh/Screenshot-2025-03-08-at-15-15-41.png
The other in Khartoum Road shows no parking sign but a RingGo
info sign.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/BK5Mh9zQ/Screenshot-2025-03-08-at-15-18-17.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/h1hk6Dj9/Screenshot-2025-03-08-at-15-17-52.png
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Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: anonymous
Date: March 11, 2025, 5:51 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Neither of these make much sense.
>
> The one in Roman Road shows the car at the end of the bay to
the right but the parking signs pic taken by the CEO indicates a
resident's bay to the right not a pay bay.
>
>
>
> The other in Khartoum Road shows no parking sign but a RingGo
info sign.
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeah I think they were trying their luck. The first one was an
obvious pay and display but they had no other spaces to park in,
and the driver could not walk properly due to his injury. That
would have probably been a better defence than what they wrote
but they aren't the best when it comes to thinking straight.
They are more concerned about losing the discount as they did
not receive a response to either of their challenges, if the
tickets can be cancelled that's obviously a bonus.
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#Post#: 61938--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Appealed - No reply received
DIR By: anonymous
Date: March 11, 2025, 11:52 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Neither of these make much sense.
>
> The one in Roman Road shows the car at the end of the bay to
the right but the parking signs pic taken by the CEO indicates a
resident's bay to the right not a pay bay.
>
>
>
> The other in Khartoum Road shows no parking sign but a RingGo
info sign.
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Ok so just re-read this. I think the one on Roman Road, the
post seems to be to the right of the end of the bay, according
to gsv anyway:
LINK ROMAN ROAD GSV
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5452803,0.0765266,3a,75y,181.16h,92.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sd0IiNl5qzZ1Q8OIapkPBWw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-2.4473448362539756%26panoid%3Dd0IiNl5qzZ1Q8OIapkPBWw%26yaw%3D181.16033600666978!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMwNC4wIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDU1SAFQAw%3D%3D
BUT I have found something interesting. In the same bay, but on
the other end of it towards the main road, there is this sign.
Seems to contradict the first sign as taken by the parking
enforcement.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/c5ttDpD/Screenshot-2025-03-11-164944.png
HTML https://ibb.co/rPMM4L4
For Khartoum Road, the sign is blacked out, according to gsv
anyway
LINK KHARTOUM ROAD GSV
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5482031,0.0754242,3a,73.8y,149.61h,77.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9d15RgQmtL8dg9zuNmCzmw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D12.583355354803714%26panoid%3D9d15RgQmtL8dg9zuNmCzmw%26yaw%3D149.61295218572505!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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