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Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: Zedbee
Date: February 27, 2025, 1:11 pm
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Hi all I got a pcn a couple of days ago and could do with some
help to work out why I got a pcn. It was for 21 parking in a
suspended bay or space.
I parked in a disabled bay displayed the blue badge set the time
and went off with the mrs for approx 90 mins. Got the ticket but
can't work out why. I saw nothing to indicate the bay was
suspended (I'm not local) but took a picture of the car/bay.
Forgot to take a picture of the disabled parking sign. Would be
helpful to know what I should write in the appeal.
Thanks
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 27, 2025, 4:14 pm
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This looks like the location, please confirm: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/oSJqTEamzUgmjj6s9
Well, first off, we need your reg number and PCN number so we
can look at their website to see what photos the CEO may have
taken to support the PCN. The photos you have posted show no
bright yellow suspension signs, but that doesn't mean it or they
weren't there. Normal practice of CEOs is to take a photo of the
suspension sign nearest the car.
So just to make sure you supply all the info needed, please read
this and update your thread accordingly: -
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: Chijiki
Date: February 28, 2025, 4:23 am
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PCN; QM00319384
REG; WP16SYY
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: Zedbee
Date: February 28, 2025, 4:30 am
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Hi yes the location is correct in your link and chijiiki has
provided the deets. thanks
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 28, 2025, 5:08 am
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There's no pic of the car in relation to the suspension sign.
The CEO took pics of the BB and wheel positions.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/tMk6yz6D/Screenshot-2025-02-28-at-11-07-07.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/4w0xJBCG/Screenshot-2025-02-28-at-11-06-50.png
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: northwalian
Date: February 28, 2025, 6:18 am
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deleted, can't read :(
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 28, 2025, 6:25 am
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--- Quote from: northwalian link ---
>
> The timestamps on the pictures were before the suspension time
on the pole came into effect?
>
--- End Quote ---
The suspension started way back on 25 October and ends today I
suspect the sign isn't that obvious and the bays haven't been
coned off and that the use of the bays for the suspension had
passed.
If the OP can get back there today and take pics...
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 28, 2025, 6:50 am
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GSV July 2024 shows 2 parking places in this length of street,
one for loading the other for Disabled BB holders. The latter is
internally divided into 3 spaces. Numbering from the loading
bay, the OP was parked in the first and a single traffic sign
(Disabled BB holders 24/7) was situated at the kerb between the
second and third.
The CEO's photos show a 'suspension' sign on the traffic sign
post suspending use of all 3 spaces from Oct 2024-28 Feb. 2025
for 'works'.
The PCN was issued on 25 Feb.
The OP wrote: 'I saw nothing to indicate the bay was suspended
(I'm not local) but took a picture of the car/bay. Forgot to
take a picture of the disabled parking sign. Would be helpful to
know what I should write in the appeal.
OP, does this mean that you did not look for and read the
traffic sign but simply assumed that your length of stay would
be such that you could not possibly be in contravention of the
regular restriction which you inferred from the marking alone?
This happens regularly on this forum, but usually with Res
permit holders whose parking spaces extend to perhaps 100m in
length and as frequent flyers they don't check signs every time
they park.
For me, the most important parts of your account are that:
The parking place was suspended in its entirety for 4 months for
'works', that it was small and that you managed to park easily;
Nothing on the ground was occurring in your or the other parking
spaces to cause you to think anything other than the spaces were
available for use;
The CEO's photos confirm that no 'works' vehicles were parked
behind you neither can any 'works' paraphernalia be seen.
IMO, the likely scenario is that the 'works' had ceased but the
council had not removed the suspension sign because the
applicant had paid for a further 3 days.
This defence has succeeded with councils and adjudicators i.e.
once the reason for the suspension has ceased then the
suspension itself cannot be enforced.
Wait for other views and pl answer tne queries above.
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: Zedbee
Date: February 28, 2025, 3:38 pm
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Hi thanks for your comments
in honesty i didnt look for a sign and was guided by whats
painted on the ground (should they have given a better
indication that they were suspended?)
i would guess the majority of people would go by whats on the
ground could they have taped over the disabled words or should
they have suspended signs next to each bay which I would have
seen on exiting the vehicle.
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Re: Manchester City council pcn
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 1, 2025, 3:58 pm
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You were there, was there any sign of 'works' that you could
see?
These are disabled bays and are in relatively short supply
compared to regular bays. The council determined that these 3
should be placed to support BB holders accessing nearby
facilities and shops and IMO the authority were (as the end date
has passed) under a duty to lift the suspension once the bays'
alternative uses had finished and not to deny access to
legitimate users.
Wait for other views.
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