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Euro Car Park PCN - hospital/sainsbury's car park
DIR By: msp
Date: February 24, 2025, 9:01 am
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Dear all,
This is my first time posting so apologies if any mistakes.
I am an employee of the Princess Royal University Hospital, in
Farborough. I pay for staff permit for a car park that is
managed by Euro Car Parks. Adjacent to the hospital there is a
large Sainsbury where I have been told we are allowed to park as
an overspill if the main car park is full. Note that the
Sainsbury car park is also managed by Euro Car Parks.
Back in January I found myself precisely in that situation and
received the following PCN
"Breach of Terms and Conditions:
The vehicle was parked in a designated permit area without an
authorised permit"
I sent an appeal explaining that I do pay for a permit in the
hospital car park and was under the impression that I was
allowed to park there. I received the following rejection
"Having carefully considered the evidence provided by you we
have decided to reject your appeal for the following reasons:
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holder’s area.
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the notice was issued correctly
and remains payable.
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for the Sainsbury’s permit holder. "
In discussing this with colleagues, it later emerged that there
is a “white” designated area and a “yellow” designated area and
we are only allowed to park in the white. The signage does not
specify that that is the case
I have attached a couple of pictures for context - showing some
white and yellow signs.
My question is whether it is worth appealing to POPLA on the
basis that the signage is unclear and I did believe that I was
well within my right within the yellow zone as I do in fact have
a permit?
Many thanks
Best,
Msp
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Re: Euro Car Park PCN - hospital/sainsbury's car park
DIR By: b789
Date: February 24, 2025, 10:32 am
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What has your management said about getting this cancelled? Have
you tried asking Sainsbury's to get them to cancel the Parking
Charge Notice (PCN)? This is called Plan A.
Where is it actually documented, this convoluted way of using
overflow parking outside of the hospital car park area with
different delineated permit areas? Relying on gossip from
colleagues is not an approved method of notification. If it I an
approved procedure, it must be documented somewhere. Find out
where. Your line manager or, if you are a union member, get them
to assist you if getting to the bottom of this.
Please show us the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received. Both
sides and only redact your personal info, the PCN number and
your VRM. Leave everything else visible, especially all dates
and times.
You have received the PCN as the known Keepr of the vehicle. ECP
have no idea of the drivers identity and it should remain
unknown to them. Only refer to the driver in the third person.
No "I parked here or there", only "The driver parked here or
there". There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify
the driver to an unregulated private parking company.
No one who is here receiving advice and following it pays a
penny to ECP.
For now, please answer the questions and show us the NtK.
#Post#: 59538--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Park PCN - hospital/sainsbury's car park
DIR By: msp
Date: February 24, 2025, 11:28 am
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I called the Sainsbury's and to my surprise they were very
helpful and managed to cancel the fine from their end. Thank you
so much!
#Post#: 59598--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Park PCN - hospital/sainsbury's car park
DIR By: Dave65
Date: February 25, 2025, 4:33 am
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Good result.
Who did you call at Sainsburys?
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Re: Euro Car Park PCN - hospital/sainsbury's car park
DIR By: msp
Date: February 25, 2025, 11:17 am
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I called the local store
(
HTML https://stores.sainsburys.co.uk/0019/locksbottom)
- there were
a few options but was eventually to get through who I believe is
a store manager. I explained my situation, they took down my PCN
number and plate and they were able to cancel it. I did not get
any emails to confirm this but I trust/hope it has been
resolved. I certainly won't be chasing them :P
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Re: Euro Car Park PCN - hospital/sainsbury's car park
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 25, 2025, 11:31 am
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> I certainly won't be chasing them
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Why not? The last thing you want is to find out in a few months
time that it wasn't in fact cancelled, and you now have to deal
with a court claim.
I'd follow up with an email thanking the supermarket manager for
their help and asking for written confirmation it has been
cancelled.
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Re: Euro Car Park PCN - hospital/sainsbury's car park
DIR By: b789
Date: February 25, 2025, 11:53 am
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A phone call conversation as evidence of something promised is
not with the paper it isn't written on.
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