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#Post#: 4952--------------------------------------------------
Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m) failing
to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles
DIR By: zemanzdenek
Date: September 11, 2023, 6:18 pm
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Hello this is a bit of a tricky one, I have received 3
regulation 10 PCN's (so far) for failing to comply with a
certain prohibition on certain type of vehicles.
Cardiff Council are trialing a "permit gate" on a stretch of
road - Crystal Glen - to prohibit it being used as a shortcut,
the issue for me is I am an employee of Cardiff Council and have
been using the road to access two separate work points -
Fishguard Close and Trenchard Drive - for the last 11 years the
scheme came in from the 19th June 2023 and the memo sent out by
Cardiff Council read that "if you do not have a permit, you can
access the area but need to exit it the same way you entered it"
which I have been doing accessing Crystal Glen via Fishguard
Road then leaving Crystal Glen onto Fishguard Road. (I have
attached the memo which was sent to me as an alert through my
work app.) I was understanding that I was following the rules of
the scheme - exiting the same way I entered - the camera is
situated just before Fishguard Close and two of the PCN's have
been from me driving from Fishguard Close.
*I received a third PCN today but it's for the exact same date
and time as the second one which I am confused by.
Anyway I am looking for advice in how to proceed, I have used
Dropbox to link all the PCN's with the dated folders, the memo
from my office manager
PCN number QC85781974:
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/sh/noqhugc9yty3w08/AAAUOEc-4AHPTSUNAdIUgd-Ha?dl=0
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/sh/noqhugc9yty3w08/AAAUOEc-4AHPTSUNAdIUgd-Ha?dl=0
PCN number QC85764545:
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bzfhrx3zt4sqyx0/AAA_ZkajSo1HQtsKjf_i22v7a?dl=0
Pcn number - QC85764534 21.07.23
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jy24irdjcjcut1n/AAAd8oi2KvMEux81Sg2O_fQba?dl=0
This was the memo sent out by Cardiff Council detailing the new
scheme page 1:
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5pv6etcufz4ljpdu4rmb8/Screenshot_2023-09-11-22-09-38-97_e307a3f9df9f380ebaf106e1dc980bb6.jpg?rlkey=id6tnkn5a2mive1s425klozf4&dl=0
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5pv6etcufz4ljpdu4rmb8/Screenshot_2023-09-11-22-09-38-97_e307a3f9df9f380ebaf106e1dc980bb6.jpg?rlkey=id6tnkn5a2mive1s425klozf4&dl=0
Page 2
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nlj6ihjcqjc4izxr6cmst/Screenshot_2023-09-11-22-09-45-24_e307a3f9df9f380ebaf106e1dc980bb6.jpg?rlkey=qon0pdts3w2hd47por1bqkuvq&dl=0
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nlj6ihjcqjc4izxr6cmst/Screenshot_2023-09-11-22-09-45-24_e307a3f9df9f380ebaf106e1dc980bb6.jpg?rlkey=qon0pdts3w2hd47por1bqkuvq&dl=0
Google maps:
Crystal Glen
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/bFKUJjBzAKMDoKTG8
Where the lamppost is is where the camera is now situated.
Crystal Glen
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ULr6PGSx5wWRxRUB7
This is the view from the turning from Fishguard Road, the left
turn is Fishguard Close.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/q8HPqVswrQF9E3V39
This is a map view of the roads I have mentioned. The camera is
next to the church on the corner before Fishguard Close.
Thank you for reading all this and clicking the links, I am
working off of my phone so apologies for that in advance.
#Post#: 4957--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 11, 2023, 6:34 pm
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Have any of these PCNs been challenged by the registered keeper?
The deadline to challenge the first one was on September 5, the
second one is almost out of time.
Also, what's your connection to the registered keeper please?
#Post#: 4959--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: zemanzdenek
Date: September 11, 2023, 6:53 pm
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The vehicle is a hired van from Days.
So the PCN was sent to Days who sent it to Transport who then
sent it t my department and my manager forwarded it to me.
I am an employee of Cardiff County Council. I received all these
from the 22nd August but I could not access my emails until the
30th August.
#Post#: 4960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 11, 2023, 6:59 pm
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So Cardiff County Council leases the vehicles from Days?
If so, Days needs to make a representation on the basis that
they're a hire company and the vehicles are on lease to Cardiff
County Council.
#Post#: 4962--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: zemanzdenek
Date: September 11, 2023, 7:01 pm
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All Days have done is forward the PCN to Cardiff Council.
How do I go about informing them of that, please?
Thank you
#Post#: 4963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: zemanzdenek
Date: September 11, 2023, 7:08 pm
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The PCN says "as you were the owner/hirer/keeper of vehicle"?
I haven't had anything in my name as yet just these three PCN's
does that help me in anyway?
#Post#: 4972--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: zemanzdenek
Date: September 12, 2023, 1:54 am
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These are the first two PCNs I will post the third in a separate
message.
The second and third PCN's are for the exact same date and time
which I don't understand how I've received two for that period.
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#Post#: 4974--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: zemanzdenek
Date: September 12, 2023, 2:06 am
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Third PCN.
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 4975--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: zemanzdenek
Date: September 12, 2023, 2:09 am
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I also received this alert from my manager after already
speaking to him when I received the first one when I informed
him that I wouldn't be paying the fine and would be appealing.
The alert is for the whole unit not just me.
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#Post#: 4978--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cardiff County Council. Crystal Glen, Llanishen. (52m)
failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehi
DIR By: guest17
Date: September 12, 2023, 3:30 am
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Well if the lessee of the vehicle is the Council, as one body
corporate, it cannot be both Appellant and Respondent and seek
to pursue itself for these Penalty Charge Notices.
Also the Experimental Order has been delayed beyond belief if
enforcement started in June 2023:-
HTML https://www.cardiff.gov.uk/ENG/resident/Parking-roads-and-travel/Traffic-orders/Proposals/Traffic%20Scheme%20Proposals/Crystal%20Glen.pdf
Mike
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