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       #Post#: 58853--------------------------------------------------
       Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: Mark_Fletch13
       Date: February 19, 2025, 6:56 am
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       Good afternoon,
       I´ve had a ticket through from Countrywide Parking and would
       like if someone could cast an eye over my proposed second appeal
       and perhaps offer some guidance or supporting arguments that I
       can add. My first round appeal was rejected by them, so now am
       onto the second round appeal.
       The long and short of it is that I parked in a car park for a
       quick drop off, saw the signs for ANPR and the associated
       camera, and went to purchase a ticket.
       Due to Countrywide Parking cost saving techniques and decision
       not to install a pay machine, I was forced to have to use and
       app - one of the options for which was “Ringo”.
       I then went about downloading the app and inputting my details
       and card details in order to register, following confirmation
       email links and the like and eventually was in a position to
       locate the car park in question.
       From previous experience on other apps such as “pay to park”
       app, it’s usually easier to find associated car parks using the
       map function, since the codes they use aren’t always searchable.
       Therefore I went on the map function, pressed the arrow to focus
       on in my current position, and then found “Cotlands Road” car
       park. This was the only car park in the vicinity of where I was
       showing up on the map.
       This process took me 11 minutes to achieve, due to the arduous
       enrolment process and also patchy mobile signal coverage in the
       area.
       I then got an unexpected letter through the post demanding a sum
       of £100.00, discounted to £60.00 of course if paid within 14
       days of the letter.
       Since this was an unexpected arrival, I did some investigation
       work into what happened as I was under the impression that I was
       paid up and parked in accordance with their rules. I’d assumed
       it was the 11 minutes it took to have the ticket issued from
       first arrival into the car park, however that was not their
       reasoning. They said I did not have a ticket for their car park
       “20-28 Cotland´s Road”, but rather I had one for “Cotland´s
       Road” which is different car park nearby.
       As it turns out the map function of Ringo does not have the 3
       car parks in the immediate vicinity (20-28 Cotland´s Road,
       Cotland´s Road and Cotland´s Road Overflow) listed, just
       Cotland´s Road which is located to the North East of the car
       park. In fact if you search in the car park code specifically
       819627, the map goes to a location somewhere over the
       mid-atlantic along the equator. Also if you use the function to
       extract to google maps, there is “no location found”.
       (In the evidence folder I have included a screenshot in situ
       whilst physically stood in 20-28 Cotland´s Road, and another
       screenshot as proof that the app map function only has the
       Cotlands Road Car park (59037) shown to the North East).
       Being that this particular car park is in Bournemouth, it seems
       unreasonable to me for the motorist to be able to deduce whether
       they should go for the only car park listed on the map in the
       vicinity (with almost the exact same name as the one in
       question, bar the 20-28 numbers at the front), or the car park
       in the mid-atlantic but with the correct code. At best it’s a
       50/50 choice, and for me the one in the middle of the ocean
       seemed like the most risky option since it appeared to not
       exist, hence I went with Cotland´s Road.
       I will be writing words to this effect to the 2nd round appeal
       process and would appreciate any additional arguments. I´ve
       attached the relevant documents to the file associated for
       consideration. I have also included some images from the
       adjacent council car park Cotland´s Road, although didn’t take
       any of the third car park around the corner Cotland´s Road
       Overflow as I didn’t think it would bring anything additional to
       the table.


       Many Thanks
  HTML https://imgur.com/a/20-28-cotland-s-roads-U14vZ21
       #Post#: 58874--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: b789
       Date: February 19, 2025, 8:47 am
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       Whilst you have documented very clearly what has happened, it
       will not make one iota of difference. You are dealing with an
       ex-clamper who is out scam you. They are a member of the IPC, a
       breakaway organisation from the BPA set up by a couple of
       solicitors with extremely dubious reputations and their only
       remit is to protect their cabal of members from having to deal
       with the hoy polloi of gullible motorist victims.
       Your secondary appeal will be a waste of time and effort. The
       IAS is not quite as "independent" as you may think. Check out
       the company directors of both the IPC and the IAS and don't be
       surprised at what you find out. The IAS is a kangaroo court and
       any appeal has less than 4% chance of being successful. However,
       if you insist, fill your boots.
       I don't know whether you have identified the Keeper as the
       driver in your initial appeal, but if you have, you threw away a
       perfectly good appeal and, more importantly, legal defence,
       where this is eventually going to end up. Why? The Notice to
       Keeper (NtK) was not fully compliant with all the requirements
       of PoFA because it was not "given" within the relevant period
       according to paragraph 9(4)(b).
       What that meant was that as long as the drivers identity is not
       revealed, they cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver
       to the known Keeper. There is no legal obligation on the known
       Keeper to identify the unknown driver to an unregulated private
       parking company. The known Keeper and the unknown driver are
       separate legal entities.
       The only way that the operator could identify the Keeper as the
       driver is if the Keeper blabs it to them, inadvertently or
       otherwise with silly statements along the lines of "I parked her
       for there" instead of only referring to the driver in the third
       person with "The driver parked here or there". The secret is not
       to tell 'em your name Pike!
       So, if you've identified the driver, the "golden ticket" defence
       is blown. If you haven't, then keep your power dry as it will
       come in handy if this ever gets litigated on. However, don't
       worry too much because, even when they eventually issue a debt
       claim, the odds of it ever reaching a hearing are less than 1%.
       In most cases that we advise on, the claim is either struck out
       or discontinued.
       No one who is here receiving advice and following it, pays a
       penny to ex-clampers like Countrywide.
       #Post#: 59145--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: Mark_Fletch13
       Date: February 21, 2025, 3:34 am
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       Thank you for the response,
       Unfortunately I believe was required to make the driver
       ´selection´on their first round of appealing, so I am afraid
       that golden ticket will have been blown. I will continue to
       challenge them for the sake of due process however will go all
       the way because it´s a problem with their interface on the app
       (which motorists are forced to use due to their lack of
       investment in ticket machines).
       I´ll update as and when I hear back from them.
       Many thanks
       #Post#: 59154--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: Mark_Fletch13
       Date: February 21, 2025, 4:51 am
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       Since the second round of appeal also requires keeper of the
       vehicle to be identified, and an appeal cannot be made without
       selecting this option, do you think it would be more harmful to
       my case later on if I selected keeper and submitted the appeal,
       rather than not appealing the 2nd time at all?
       Thanks
       #Post#: 64926--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: Mark_Fletch13
       Date: March 31, 2025, 4:18 am
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       Good morning,
       I have heard back from the ´Independent Appeals Service´
       regarding the subject in this feed, who have, as you expected,
       ´dismissed´ my appeal. I still believe I was not in the wrong,
       could you please advise on what I should do next - if anything?
       My plan was to effectively ignore any further letters or emails
       unless they're from any authoritative body, since there doesn´t
       seem to be any appeal options left.
       Here´s a summary of what they said, for interest:
       ..................................................................................................
       "The Appellant challenges the parking charge on the basis that
       the driver paid for parking however it would appear from the
       comments made and evidence provided that they did not enter the
       sites location code correctly when making payment. I am
       satisfied that it is the driver's responsibility to ensure that
       the terms of parking are properly complied with. Signs are
       located throughout the site making clear the terms of parking at
       the location. Whether a driver feels that they have permission
       to park or not, the contractual terms require the driver to pay
       for parking using the correct location code and by not ensuring
       that their location was entered correctly when making payment
       they agree to pay the charge.
       As the guidance to this appeal explains I am bound by the law of
       contract and cannot consider mistakes or extenuating
       circumstances, only legal challenges. It would appear that the
       payment systems were working correctly at all material times and
       simply that an error was made by the Appellant in not entering
       their location details correctly when making payment. I am
       satisfied that no payment was made for the vehicle registered
       XXXX on the day in question at this location. I appreciate that
       mistakes can be made, however, as the guidance to this appeal
       explains I have no discretion. The terms of parking have been
       breached by the Appellant as they did not ensure that their
       correct location was entered at the time payment was made and
       accordingly this appeal is dismissed."
       ..................................................................................................
       Thanks in advance!
       #Post#: 64963--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: b789
       Date: March 31, 2025, 8:16 am
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       Without knowing precisely what you sent as your appeal in the
       first place, it is impossible to advise except that if you are
       adamant that you are in the right, you can ignore any appeal
       rejection and you now wait and see if/when they decide to make a
       claim in the county court.
       You can safely ignore all debt recovery letters. Debt collectors
       are powerless to actually do anything except try and make the
       low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree pay up out of ignorance
       and fear. Never, ever, communicate with a useless debt
       collector. Ignore Tham and we don't need to know about any
       useless letters you get from them.
       If/when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) or an actual N1SDT
       Claim Form from the CNBC, come back and we can advise further.
       You could query why they have not complied with Annex F.1 or F.3
       of the PPSCoP
  HTML https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW%20Redesigned%20Documents/sectorsingleCodeofPractice.pdf<br
       />and either cancelled the charge for a "minor keying error or
       singly reduced it to £20 for a major keying error.
       #Post#: 74623--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: Mark_Fletch13
       Date: June 3, 2025, 2:22 pm
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       Good evening,
       I received as expected a reject letter of appeal from the ÍAS´on
       13 March stating they dismiss my appeal (as advised by the
       forum). I am now receiving telephone calls, text messages and
       and emails from ´BW Legal´demanding the sum of £170.
       I haven´t replied to either the IAS or the these ´BW Legal´
       characters, the only time I spoke to the,m was the first phone
       call when I didn´t know who they were, they asked me for my
       address to pass ´security checks´ to which I said, on the phone,
       words to the effect of I do not give out personal details over
       the phone.
       I have attached the ´IAS´email and the communications from ´BW
       Legal´ for review.
       If anyone has any advice on how to proceed, would be much
       appreciated.
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       #Post#: 74628--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: b789
       Date: June 3, 2025, 2:33 pm
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       Block all calls and texts from BW Legal. You've already been
       advised that your IAS appeal was a wasted effort. There is
       nothing more you can do for now except to wait for the
       inevitable Letter of Claim (LoC) which is going to come from BW
       Legal in their capacity as a bulk litigator, not as a debt
       collector.
       When you receive the LoC, come back and show us and we will
       provide a suitable response.
       #Post#: 74667--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: Mark_Fletch13
       Date: June 3, 2025, 4:59 pm
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       Understood, will do. Now booked. Will update in due course.
       Thanks
       #Post#: 74942--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking charge notice, 20-28 Cotland´s Road, Bournemouth
       countrywide parking: Failure to pay, 25 min
   DIR By: Mark_Fletch13
       Date: June 5, 2025, 9:07 am
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       Understood, will do. Now **blocked. Will update in due course.
       Thanks
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