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#Post#: 4857--------------------------------------------------
Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road E10
- Covered sign
DIR By: tommytbone
Date: September 11, 2023, 6:29 am
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Hi all, hope you can advise on this... First time I've wanted to
take a PCN to tribunals, so i think i may have made a big error
of the process here:
Context:
Got a ticket on a short residential street behind Leyton main
road. I have an office local, and these streets look to have
been having a number of changes to the parking rules the past
couple of months/previous year.
It was residential mon-fri 9-4pm, then changed to mon-sat 9-4pm,
and now they seem to be a mix between the two, even on the same
short road. York Rd is a short connecting road between two
residential streets, and it has four marked areas to park. In
the past they were all mon-fri... Now it seems only one is and
the one I was in is mon-sat. I got a ticket on a sat as the side
I was on was Mon-Sat (i've included a location link to where i
parked - where shopping trolly is). £65 (14day discount) £130
total.
The closest sign for my bay is heavily covered by completely
blocked by trees (still is 4 months later) and the sign bright
as day across from my car (but other side of road) said mon-fri,
and given my history of parking in the area, and i had my 18m
old screaming), I parked there. Got a ticket and appealled under
"Inadequate Signage Visibility" but was rejected as theres
another sign much further down the road that i 'should have
looked at' - something I couldn't see from where I parked.
In that rejection letter they said:
""If you wish to take the matter further a Notice to Owner (NtO)
will be sent to the registered
keeper of the vehicle in 28 days if no payment is made, you can
then make a Formal
Representation after you receive this, I must advise you that at
this stage the PCN will be at
the full charge."
... so I read this as wait 28 days and another letter will come
and then you can escalate to the courts. I waited without
paying.
However, last week I received a Charge Certificate stating that
an additional charge has been added to the £130 - now £195.
I emailed saying I never received the NtO as per there letter,
and their response was that they have sent this debt to
Northampton debt collection. I wonder what I have done wrong
here, I want to fight this original PCN but seems i'm with the
debt collection company now.
It become very stressful and wondering what the hell is going on
to be honest.
The missus says i should have just paid the £65 - i'm starting
to agree with her.
I've added all the pics from the day of the area - and the
letters I've received. First time posting and tried to navigate
the rules, but let me know if i've missed anything.
Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) Number: FR59597524
Vehicle Registration Number: PY60KGA
PCN letter:
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/G3wpU9MuEaXEaF3n9
Back of letter:
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/NPQrewEq9hNDT9ee8
Charge Certificate:
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/owc2oPvTPJfghERM7
Where i parked:
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/qdgW5oEuX1URqrxa9
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/AJGuztpiNHFuivzZ6
Sign across the street:
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/AJGuztpiNHFuivzZ6
Location:
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/kxwA2R3c9FasZajy6
#Post#: 4928--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 11, 2023, 4:37 pm
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So the NTO was lost in the post, these things happen. Don't
worry about it, it can be dealt with and is quite
straightforward.
Go to this page
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process#rod<br
/>and read the Registration of Debt and Order for Recovery and
Witness Statement paragraphs.
It will be much easier for us to help you if you give us the PCN
number and the number plate.
#Post#: 4931--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: tommytbone
Date: September 11, 2023, 4:45 pm
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Thanks so much for your reply and I will give that page a read
as suggested.
Oh, I thought I'd added those details, here they are.
Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) Number: FR59597524 Vehicle
Registration Number: PY60KGA
Thanks once again for any help you can offer
#Post#: 4953--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 11, 2023, 6:20 pm
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The PCN is sat at £195 at the moment, keep an eye on
HTML https://walthamocm.itsvc.co.uk/PCN/
and as soon as it goes up to
£204, you can download form TE9
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1094491/Parking_TE9.pdf,<br
/>fill it in (remember the applicant is the council, not you)
and
tick the box to say you never got the NTO, then email it to
tec@justice.gov.uk with the PCN number in the subject line.
When the amount due on the council website drops back down to
£130, it means the Notice to Owner has been reissued. Let us
know when this happens (you'll need to check once every 10 days
or so after you've emailed TEC) and we'll help with a
representation.
Any questions please ask.
#Post#: 4967--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: tommytbone
Date: September 12, 2023, 1:06 am
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That's superb! Thank you wizard cp8759. I really appreciate your
guidance
#Post#: 4984--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: September 12, 2023, 3:54 am
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Once this is reset there are loads of reasons to challenge
#Post#: 5010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: tommytbone
Date: September 12, 2023, 10:11 am
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I thought so too, but really reassuring to hear from yourself
too. I'll come back once it's moved along as advised above.
Thanks for your input too!
#Post#: 5499--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: tommytbone
Date: September 19, 2023, 2:13 pm
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Received the attached from the council.
Looks like it'll advance in two weeks. Will keep my eye on it
and report back. Thanks
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 7123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: tommytbone
Date: October 10, 2023, 5:54 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> The PCN is sat at £195 at the moment, keep an eye on
HTML https://walthamocm.itsvc.co.uk/PCN/
and as soon as it goes up to
£204, you can download form TE9
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1094509/TE9.pdf,<br
/>fill it in (remember the applicant is the council, not you)
and
tick the box to say you never got the NTO, then email it to
tec@justice.gov.uk with the PCN number in the subject line.
>
> When the amount due on the council website drops back down to
£130, it means the Notice to Owner has been reissued. Let us
know when this happens (you'll need to check once every 10 days
or so after you've emailed TEC) and we'll help with a
representation.
>
> Any questions please ask.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi cp8759, I'm just filling out the electronic TE9 form and
noticed that the reason for witness statement doesn't mention
NTO... it says "I did not receive the penalty charge notice"
whereas the paper version I received in the post says "I did not
receive the Notice to owner/penalty charge notice"
I'd prefer to use the online version, but wondered if it will be
understood by clicking this reason.
Thanks
Tom
#Post#: 7239--------------------------------------------------
Re: Waltham Forest - 12w Parked in a residents space - York Road
E10 - Covered sign
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 11, 2023, 4:27 pm
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Use this one:
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1094491/Parking_TE9.pdf
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