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Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: February 22, 2025, 1:13 am
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Have been going through all replies and advices here and was
wondering of the following.
The response to LoC has been submitted the other day as per kind
b789 advice.
Having read estevenin comment about DCBL email of UKCP
instructions to close this case, I thought is it worthy to send
another follow up email to DCB Legal with a copy of email from
DCBL or not worthy at this time?
I do understand that DCBL (bailiffs) and DCB Legal are “two
different firms on paper” but work together and therefore should
know this already too? LoC was sent out by DCB Legal on 27th
January but email was only sent by DCBL on 29th January.
The email in a context of something similar like:
Dear Sirs,
Following my response to your LoC dated 27th January 2025, I am
forwarding you a copy of email that was sent by DCBL on 29th
January 2025. The email clearly states that UKPC instructed
DCBL to close the case.
I once again ask you to note that the alleged debt is fully
disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.
Yours sincerely
[My Name]
What are your thoughts please?
#Post#: 59270--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: b789
Date: February 22, 2025, 4:29 am
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Do not make any further communication about letters from DCBL.
Ignore anything and everything from DCBL. Their only job is to
panic you into making mistakes.
You seem to be under the misguided impression that there is some
actual thought and human intervention that is going to step in
and feel sorry for your plight. Get notion out of your head.
You are dealing with a largely automated process that uses
boilerplate templates and churns out hundreds of thousands of
these LoCs a year. DCB Legal and DCBL are part of the same group
but are completely separate legal entities. There is no “working
together”.
UKPC can instruct DGBL to close their case, as they put it. That
does not mean that UKPC have closed “their” case. I would go so
far as to suggest that UKPC have not been involved with this
since a month after they issued the PCN.
DCB Legal ARE going to issue a claim, whatever you do now. Wait
for the claim to be issued. Once you are in receipt of the
claim, you can SAR both UKOC and DCB Legal to find out exactly
what correspondence there was between either of them and DCBL.
It is not going to make any difference to the outcome which is
going to be a strike out or a discontinuation.
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Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: February 22, 2025, 7:47 am
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Thank you very much b789, my knowledge/experience in this field
is minimal compared to yours and greatly appreciate your input.
I can only wish that one day I would have a similar experience
so could help other motorists to fight this multimillion pound
industry that cares for nothing. I better start spending more
time reading through these forums ☺️
#Post#: 61258--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: March 7, 2025, 4:06 pm
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So today I have received two replies from DCB Legal. The second
email asked to ignore the first one and had additional picture
added to the email. Both emails had pictures of the car parked
in the spot, my appeal and response to it, and the second email
had additional picture of the parking sign in the same car park.
The first email was as follows:
Dear xxx xxx,
We write in response to your correspondence received in our
office dated 18/02/2025.
We now respond to the same as follows.
The terms and conditions on the signs stated that parking was
permitted for vehicles parked wholly within a marked bay. The
vehicle was not parked within a marked bay as is demonstrated in
the photographic evidence enclosed. The Parking Charge was
issued due to breach of contract and not for loss or damages.
The parking charge was issued correctly. See enclosed signage
and appeal and response.
The Parking Charge of £100.00 has been issued as per the
Contract. A charge of £70.00 has been added to the sum as per
the contractual costs outlined on the signs, as the Claimant has
had to go to the expense of instructing debt collection agencies
to recover the debt.
The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140),
which was last updated on 02 September 2020, confirmed that
parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT.
Please note, our Client has not acted in a discriminatory
manner, any vehicle to have been found in breach of the terms
and conditions as per the signage would have been issued with a
Parking Charge.
You now have 30 days from the date of this email to make payment
of £170.00. Failure to make payment may result in a Claim being
issued against you without any further reference.
Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client
account: -
Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account
Sort Code: 20-24-09
Account Number: 60964441
You must quote the correct case reference (xxxxxxx) when making
payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate
the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an
incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any
further fees or costs incurred.
Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to
make payment over the telephone or online at
HTML https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.
Kind Regards,
Lorraine Boardman
Administration Associate
DCB Legal Ltd
Tel: 0203 434 0433 | DX 23457 Runcorn
Then the following email was sent 3 minutes later:
Dear xxx xxx,
We write in response to your correspondence received in our
office dated 18/02/2025.
We now respond to the same as follows.
Please ignore the previous email.
The terms and conditions on the signs stated that parking was
permitted for vehicles parked wholly within a marked bay. The
vehicle was not parked within a marked bay as is demonstrated in
the photographic evidence enclosed. The Parking Charge was
issued due to breach of contract and not for loss or damages.
The parking charge was issued correctly. See enclosed signage
and appeal and response.
The Parking Charge of £100.00 has been issued as per the
Contract. A charge of £70.00 has been added to the sum as per
the contractual costs outlined on the signs, as the Claimant has
had to go to the expense of instructing debt collection agencies
to recover the debt.
The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140),
which was last updated on 02 September 2020, confirmed that
parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT.
Please note, our Client has not acted in a discriminatory
manner, any vehicle to have been found in breach of the terms
and conditions as per the signage would have been issued with a
Parking Charge.
You now have 30 days from the date of this email to make payment
of £170.00. Failure to make payment may result in a Claim being
issued against you without any further reference.
Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client
account: -
Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account
Sort Code: 20-24-09
Account Number: 60964441
You must quote the correct case reference (xxxx) when making
payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate
the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an
incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any
further fees or costs incurred.
Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to
make payment over the telephone or online at
HTML https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.
Kind Regards,
Lorraine Boardman
Administration Associate
DCB Legal Ltd
Tel: 0203 434 0433 | DX 23457 Runcorn
Is there any need to reply to this or just wait for their
further action?
#Post#: 69860--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: May 3, 2025, 8:53 am
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> Do not make any further communication about letters from DCBL.
Ignore anything and everything from DCBL. Their only job is to
panic you into making mistakes.
>
> You seem to be under the misguided impression that there is
some actual thought and human intervention that is going to step
in and feel sorry for your plight. Get notion out of your head.
>
> You are dealing with a largely automated process that uses
boilerplate templates and churns out hundreds of thousands of
these LoCs a year. DCB Legal and DCBL are part of the same group
but are completely separate legal entities. There is no “working
together”.
>
> UKPC can instruct DGBL to close their case, as they put it.
That does not mean that UKPC have closed “their” case. I would
go so far as to suggest that UKPC have not been involved with
this since a month after they issued the PCN.
>
> DCB Legal ARE going to issue a claim, whatever you do now.
Wait for the claim to be issued. Once you are in receipt of the
claim, you can SAR both UKOC and DCB Legal to find out exactly
what correspondence there was between either of them and DCBL.
>
> It is not going to make any difference to the outcome which is
going to be a strike out or a discontinuation.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi b789,
You were absolutely right that DCB Legal are going to issue a
claim. I have now received a Calim Form from Civil National
Business Centre issued on 22nd April .
I do understand that I need to notify tribunal court that I
intend to defend all of this claim. Is there anything I need to
add to it at this stage or just that notification is enough?
Also, you mentioned that I can SAR both UKOC and DBC LEgal on
the receipt of the claim. Should I start preparing the text for
that now and should I also expand it to DCBL as well, as I have
an email from their where they stated that UKOC instructed them
to drop the claim?
#Post#: 69865--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: b789
Date: May 3, 2025, 10:27 am
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Before you do anything, show us the N1SDT Claim Form. We only
need to see the page with the Particulars of Claim (PoC) on it.
Only redact your personal info, the claim number and the MCOL
password. Leave everything else on it visible, especially all
dates.
Once I know the actual issue date, I can tell you your deadlines
and how to respond.
#Post#: 69870--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: May 3, 2025, 11:13 am
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Thank you b789.
The claim form is here
HTML https://imgur.com/a/MrdAr3X
#Post#: 69881--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: b789
Date: May 3, 2025, 11:48 am
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With an issue date of 22nd April, you have until 4pm on Monday
12th May to submit your defence. If you submit an
Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then
have until 4pm on Tuesday 27th May to submit your defence.
If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in
this linked PDF:
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0
Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that
goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim
number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the
signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft
order.
When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF
attachment and send as an attachment in an email to
claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim
number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the
email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft
order in the matter of UK Parking Control Ltd v [your full name]
Claim no.: [claim number]."
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> [center]IN THE COUNTY COURT[/center]
> [right]Claim No: [Claim Number][/right]
>
> [center]BETWEEN:
>
> UK Parking Control Ltd
> Claimant
>
> - and -
>
> [Defendant's Full Name]
> 
Defendant
>
>
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>
> DEFENCE[/center]
>
> 1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The
Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and
that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not
adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.
>
> 2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of
Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made
against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR
16.4.
>
> 3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC
because:
>
> [indent](a) The contract referred to is not detailed or
attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);
>
> (b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or
clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or
contracts) which is/are relied on;
>
> (c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons)
why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract
(or contracts)
>
> (d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity
exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the
breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was
parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;
>
> (e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is
calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest,
damages, or other charges;
>
> (f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the
parking charge and what proportion is damages;
>
> (g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is
sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant
cannot plead alternative causes of action without
specificity.[/indent]
>
> 4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft
order approved by a district judge at another court. The court
struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining
that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4.
The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:
>
> [indent](i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or
clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;
>
> (ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was
allegedly in breach of contract;
>
> (iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as
permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).
>
> (iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum
claimed, requiring further case management steps would be
disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective.
Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than
permitting an amendment.[/indent]
>
> 5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in
this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by
striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with
CPR 16.4.
>
> Statement of truth
>
> I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I
understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought
against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false
statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without
an honest belief in its truth.
>
> Signed:
>
>
> Date:
--- End Quote ---
Draft Order for the defence
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcewefk7daozuje25chkl/Strikeout-order-v2.pdf?rlkey=wxnymo8mwcma2jj8xihjm7pdx&st=nbtf0cn6&dl=0
#Post#: 69888--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: May 3, 2025, 1:13 pm
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Thank you very much b789, thank you very much
#Post#: 78783--------------------------------------------------
Re: DCB Legal Letter of Claim - Uk Parking Control Limited
DIR By: robbieuk
Date: June 29, 2025, 9:26 am
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So since I have submitted suggested defence I have received an
email from dcb legal stating that they will take the matter
further. They say that they have filed N180 - direct
questionnaire with the court.
I am now waiting for further documents from the court or
mediation (?) .
What surprised me was Section F of their N18. I coy what it said
-
F. About the hearing
Hearing venue
F1
At which County Court hearing centre would you prefer the small
claims hearing to take place and why?
Claimant's home court
What would court decide to do if I would ask for the hearing to
take place at my home court?
There’s a link to the email and N180
HTML https://imgur.com/a/bI2LYPM
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