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PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: zeezee
Date: February 15, 2025, 11:47 am
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Hi everyone,
My sister recently received a PCN, and I’d appreciate some
advice on whether she has grounds for an appeal.
She was waiting to park in a disabled bay, but another car was
still occupying the space and preparing to leave. To avoid
blocking traffic behind her (as this was on a busy high street),
she briefly pulled forward in front of the disabled bay,
momentarily entering the bus stop while waiting for the other
vehicle to leave.
She was stationary for a very short time (likely under a
minute), as the car in the disabled bay took its time to vacate
the spot—understandably so. As soon as the space became
available, she reversed into the bay, parked, and displayed her
badge.
The clip on the Redbridge Council website conveniently doesn’t
show the full duration—only about 9 seconds of her being stopped
at the bus stop.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
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Re: PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 15, 2025, 1:13 pm
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It's a no stopping contravention and while we see some people
win on the grounds of being involved in a driving manoeuvre this
was a long stop and I can't see reversing lights on.
There be process issues with the PCN to go on.
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Re: PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 15, 2025, 1:21 pm
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The car was stationary for at least 9 seconds in a bus stop
clearway.
The driver's intentions are essentially irrelevant.
There is no evidence that the car moved out of contravention
after 9 seconds.
With respect, we should consider the objective evidence which
IMO means the contravention occurred.
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Re: PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 15, 2025, 2:31 pm
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Put them to strict proof that they have a VCA certificate.
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Re: PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 15, 2025, 3:25 pm
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This is a procedural matter which is often successful.
But, dealing with this issue sequentially:
1. Was the driver in contravention? Yes. Move on to....
2. ..are they entitled to demand a penalty based upon their
evidence, in this case that of their camera?
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Re: PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 16, 2025, 5:19 am
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Other thoughts.
Vague location as just says High Street Barkingside.
Very long stop with sign at other end of bay - there has I think
been a case won by CP on this.
Obviously they must consider discretion for a disabled driver
waiting for a space she could see was becoming free. If they
locate bays adjacent to the bus stop clearway the chances of a
contravention for a driver reversing in must be high - it's a
matter of how long.
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Re: PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 16, 2025, 5:39 am
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An example re lack of VCA certificate, even when put on notice:
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cp8759 has won several others on this point alone, of course.
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Re: PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay -
Barkingside High St.
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 16, 2025, 12:14 pm
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The bus stop is 50 yards long according to GSV. The sign stating
buses only may stop is approximately 8 & 1/2 yards from the far
end.
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