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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 18, 2025, 8:52 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> Yes I meant made reps. Not OP's fault about the system.
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Agreed, the issue is what is the appropriate avenue of redress.
I would suggest a formal complaint, if the system is down for
whatever reason on a given day then really the council should
extended all deadlines by one day.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 18, 2025, 8:58 am
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Yes I agree. Let's see the screenshots.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 18, 2025, 9:03 am
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[member=6500]404BrainNotFound[/member] I have removed your post
because it is likely to mislead and cause confusion. You seem to
have misunderstood the part of the process that the OP is at,
and you've quoted legislation that was abolished years ago. If
you want to help the OP with the tribunal stage, I suggest you
wait until there is a Notice of Rejection that she can appeal
against.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 18, 2025, 9:12 am
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--- Quote from: 404BrainNotFound link ---
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> The correct legal position is that once a Notice to Owner has
been served, the statutory framework is contained in the Civil
Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General
Regulations 2007
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No it isn't, you need to read the regulations. Post incorrect
advice again and you won't be posting without prior approval.
#Post#: 86168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 18, 2025, 9:29 am
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OP, where is the NTO. Pl post all pages and leave in everything
except your name and address.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: August 25, 2025, 10:28 am
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Update:
Called the council last week Monday and spoke to someone who
seemed knowledgeable and experienced. She reduced the PCN back
to £50 (from £75) and advised me to ignore the Charge
Certificate (CC). I asked if she could confirm this in writing
by email, and she said she would, but I haven’t received
anything yet. I’m wondering if it’s worth chasing her up so I
have something in writing.
She confirmed that they will consider my representation and the
council will get back to me. According to her, the CC was issued
at the same time they received my appeal. This isn’t entirely
accurate, as my reps were sent before the CC date — but the
important thing is that the CC has been cancelled and my reps
will be considered.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 25, 2025, 3:04 pm
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This is a bit of a saga and I'm half way through War and Peace
but their site is showing £50 so wait for them to send you
something, probably a rejection.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: September 8, 2025, 7:26 am
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NoR ( Notice of Rejection) received. I will post it later.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:46 am
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@H C Anderson
@stamfordman
@cp8759
Please I need help drafting the appeal to the Tribunal.
NoR below.
Parking Services
Your Ref:FE20KXC
Our Ref: MW92219104
Date: 26 August 2025
PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE MW92219104
NOTICE OF REJECTION OF REPRESENTATIONS
I refer to your recent appeal regarding the above Penalty Charge
Notice.
Having considered all aspects of your appeal, I advise that I am
unable to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice on this
occasion.
I have noted your comments and would advise you that a Penalty
Charge Notice was issued because your vehicle was 19
Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone
displaying an invalid permit, an invalid voucher or an invalid
pay & display ticket in Meadowbank Road.
In exercising our discretion to cancel a penalty charge notice,
the circumstances detailed in your representations have been
considered and all reasons for appeal have been taken into
consideration. However, on this occasion I cannot find any
compelling grounds in which to do so.
Although you have stated that the CEO failed to identify the
partially visible valid permit which was displayed at the time,
which may have been partially obscured but this does not make it
invalid as the 'Medway Council Serving You' logo can still be
seen, I am unable to accept these as mitigating circumstances
because I can advise that although you have submitted a valid
permit, the terms of the provisions and conditions of the permit
clearly advise that the permit is only valid if displayed in a
conspicuous position on the front windscreen of the vehicle for
which it was issued, a Penalty Charge Notice will be issued for
not displaying a valid permit or not displaying it clearly to
enable verification. The Civil Enforcement Officer is unable to
ascertain the validity of the permit unless the relevant details
are clearly visible.
Upon checking the officers photographs, taken at the time of the
contravention, you can clearly see that the Medway Council
permit is fully obscured by the Croydon Council resident permit,
therefore, as the vehicle registration, expiry date and zone
cannot be clearly seen on the Medway Council permit the permit
is not deemed valid. The CEO's do the checks for a valid permit
by checking the details on the permit displayed, as is required
of them, not by checking their hand held devices.
I can advise that your vehicle had been parked in a ‘permit
holders C only’ bay without a valid permit with clearly shown
details on display. Relevant road signs and markings are sited
in all roads within the permit area. I can confirm that the
Civil Enforcement Officer noted that all windows were checked,
and no valid permit was seen on display.
I have also noted your comment that the officers observation
period exceeded the Medway Councils 2 minute policy for a
permit holder zone and I can confirm that the Civil Enforcement
Officer gave your vehicle a 4-minute 46 second observation
period and no activity was seen around the vehicle. As per
Medway Council’s Parking Enforcement Policy, an observation
period of a minimum 2 minutes should be given to vehicles seen
parked in a permit holder only zones. I can also advise that the
officer was in the vicinity of the vehicle for 8 minutes whilst
taking photographs and making notes and no activity was seen
around the vehicle, therefore the ticket was issued correctly.
I must advise that it is the driver’s responsibility to ensure
all parking restrictions are read and adhered to before leaving
thevehicle parked and to ensure the permit is clearly visible
for inspection, as per the terms & conditions.
I have attached photographic evidence taken at the time the
contravention occurred that endorses the fact that the Penalty
Charge Notice was correctly issued.
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Re: Medway Code 19 Meadowbank - Resident Parking Permit
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DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 16, 2025, 4:59 am
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It seems they are tying themselves in knots on the valid/invalid
issue:
[i]I can advise that your vehicle had been parked in a ‘permit
holders C only’ bay without a valid permit with clearly shown
details on display. [/I]
This surely is confirmation that they've issued the wrong PCN
code. An invalid permit can only be so if the details can be
checked and seen to be invalid!
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