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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: February 19, 2025, 8:31 am
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So it’s not just not having poo bags, it’s not being able to
produce them on demand? That really is some “turn out your
pockets” type legislation. I’m not convinced it is intra vires.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: February 19, 2025, 8:52 am
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I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous question.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: February 20, 2025, 2:13 am
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I've often wondered about these various tickets that council
officials can dish out. They have no means to force anyone to
provide their identity (unlike the police), so couldn't you just
walk off, or get back in the car and drive off? How much effort
are they going to go to to identify the culprit? Even driving
off, they don't have the S.172 means of identifying the driver.
We've seen this when they send threatening letters to Registered
Keepers whose car has been the source of litter thrown from it.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: BertB
Date: February 20, 2025, 6:12 am
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I've never been approached by council officers for any reason,
but I have often wondered what their response would/can be to
'shove it up your arse mate' when asked for my details?
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: DrSatan
Date: February 20, 2025, 9:41 am
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The PSPO in this case does cover this later:
"Failure to give correct details
If an authorised officer proposes to give a person a fixed
penalty notice under any part of the PSPO, the officer may
require the person to give him his name and address.
A person commits an offence if:
(a) they fail to give his name and address when required to do
so
(b) they give a false or inaccurate name or address in response
to a requirement under the proceeding subsection."
It is silent on whether or not there is any power of detention
until the cops arrive.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: February 20, 2025, 11:34 am
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I fail to see how a PSPO could grant a power of arrest.
#Post#: 59150--------------------------------------------------
Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: BertB
Date: February 21, 2025, 4:33 am
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Yes. It seems like it is a system that relies heavily on
compliance.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: coffee pot
Date: February 21, 2025, 4:51 am
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Everyone has powers of arrest; the citizen's arrest. However,
that is strewn with elephant traps.
"Any person can arrest a person who is in the act of
committing an indictable offence or
Anyone whom he reasonably suspects to be committing such an
offence, if
it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make
the arrest instead and
there are reasonable grounds for believing that the
arrest is necessary, for one of the following reasons:
To prevent the person in question:
causing physical injury to himself or any other person;
suffering physical injury;
causing loss of or damage to property; or
making off before a constable can assume responsibility for
him."
As everyone here well knows, an indictable offence is one that
is tried at Crown Court. 'Not being in possession of a plastic
bag', from memory, isn't in the list.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 21, 2025, 5:04 am
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This story reminds me of the controversy a few years ago when
Manchester City Council brought in 'Environmental Enforcement'
officers, ostensibly to discourage littering in the city centre.
At some point they farmed this out to a private company who kept
75% of the money, leading to some rather over-zealous
enforcement.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: Martian
Date: February 26, 2025, 9:10 am
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This is excellent news, about time they did something about dog
poo. As a sufferer of OCD, it ruins my day if I tread in it.
I read a few years ago that in parts of Spain, a dog owner is
required to have their dog's DNA registered. Then then test the
poo and fine the owner. I'd love to see that here too.
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