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A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: coffee pot
Date: February 14, 2025, 10:32 am
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An 80-year-old grandad was left shocked after he was handed a
£80 fine for going on a 10-yard walk with his dog without a poo
bag.
HTML https://metro.co.uk/2025/02/13/granddad-fined-80-not-poo-bag-10-second-dog-walk-22552010/
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: 666
Date: February 14, 2025, 11:30 am
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> An 80-year-old grandad was left shocked after he was handed a
£80 fine for going on a 10-yard walk with his dog without a poo
bag.
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HTML https://metro.co.uk/2025/02/13/granddad-fined-80-not-poo-bag-10-second-dog-walk-22552010/
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That seems entirely reasonable.
One of the many ways that life has improved over my recent
decades has been the elimination of dogsh1t on the pavements and
other public places.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: February 14, 2025, 1:09 pm
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How much was he fined for punching them in the face?
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: coffee pot
Date: February 14, 2025, 1:17 pm
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I agree that poo is to be picked up and we always pick up
(unless it's low tide). However, I have never heard that it is
an offence to be near your dog (how did they prove ownership? He
might be walking the dog, but is he the registered keeper?)
without a plastic bag about your person.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: 666
Date: February 15, 2025, 1:01 am
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--- Quote from: coffee pot link ---
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> I agree that poo is to be picked up and we always pick up
(unless it's low tide). However, I have never heard that it is
an offence to be near your dog (how did they prove ownership? He
might be walking the dog, but is he the registered keeper?)
without a plastic bag about your person.
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The report says that the Public Spaces Protection Order applies
to a "person in charge of a dog", not its owner.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: coffee pot
Date: February 15, 2025, 5:02 am
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HTML https://wolverhampton.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s241418/Public%20Spaces%20Protection%20Order%202023%20-%20Dog%20Control.pdf
The relevant section
4.6 As part of the consultation exercise into renewal and
variation of the PSPO, consultation
was undertaken regarding a new requirement for a person in
charge of a dog on public
land to be able to produce on the request of an authorised
officer suitable and unused
means of removing dog faeces from the ground. Anyone who fails
to comply with this
requirement shall be guilty of an offence if they are unable to
produce suitable and
unused means of removing dog faeces from the ground when asked
to do so by an
authorised officer. The receptacle / bags must be disposable,
and this requirement is
unaffected by whether the dog has recently defecated. Exceptions
to this proposal are:
i That person has a reasonable excuse for failing to do so; or
ii The owner/occupier or other person or authority having
control of the land has
consented (generally or specifically) to that person failing to
do so.
I would have thought that, "my car is 10 yards away and I have
one or more there" is a perfectly valid response. It doesn't
say it has to be produced from anywhere in particular.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: February 15, 2025, 5:50 am
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So it imposes liability for not having a poo bag because your
dog might have a poo and you might not pick it up?
Are council goons wandering around demanding papers poo bags
please?
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: coffee pot
Date: February 15, 2025, 6:11 am
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If you look at the Metro story that appears to be precisely
their position and actions. Bearing in mind it is a story as
reported in the Press, and anyone who has been involved in
anything that appears in the Press knows their fact checking is
sometimes less than perfect, it does seem likely. The council
also wave the old toxocara canis shroud despite their being very
little evidence that this very rare disease in humans is caused
by companion dogs.
HTML https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667114X24000116<br
/>for the really interested.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: nigelbb
Date: February 19, 2025, 3:33 am
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Surely having the bags in the car a few yards away satisfies the
requirement to be able to "[i] produce suitable and unused means
of removing dog faeces from the ground when asked to do so"[/I]?
The dog owner isn't required to actually carry them on their
person. Alternatively a handkerchief would also satisfy the
requirement.
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Re: A whole new world of council fighting has appeared
DIR By: BertB
Date: February 19, 2025, 4:22 am
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I've been out with the dogs before and they have been so crap
happy, they have gone through the 5 or 6 poo bags I took out
with me. So this council is proposing to fine me if they catch
me heading back home sans poo bags, but with two completely
pooed out dogs?
Edit to add. It is however in my humble reserved opinion that
for people who let their dogs poo in the street and fail to pick
it up, you should be legally allowed to stab them in the face.
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