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#Post#: 57940--------------------------------------------------
Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time on
images
DIR By: M456
Date: February 13, 2025, 7:07 am
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Hello All,
The vehicle was parked in a restricted during prescribed hours.
The PCN shows a time from 11:03 to 11:04 but the photographs
from the CEO show 11:04:41, 11:04:47, 11:04:58, 11:05:08
Can I appeal this on a technicality?
PCN1
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PCN2
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IMG1
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IMG2
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IMG3
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IMG4
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Thank you in advance.
#Post#: 57941--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: February 13, 2025, 7:30 am
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Not sure why you have redacted Reg Mark and PCN number - please
re-instate or post them here.
Any other photos on Council website?
The timings are consistent with the CVEO seeing the vehicle,
issuing and affixing the PCN and taking photos which show the
PCN was served. Any particular reason as to why you were parked
there?
For convenience
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#Post#: 57978--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: M456
Date: February 13, 2025, 10:37 am
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PCN No: AF08684590
REG: AV73MLO
I wasn't aware of the restrictions and went to collect a
prescription from the pharmacy.
There were only 4 pictures on the council website.
#Post#: 58490--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: M456
Date: February 17, 2025, 5:21 am
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Does anyone else have an opinion on this or does it just need to
be paid.
#Post#: 58498--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: coffee pot
Date: February 17, 2025, 5:43 am
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There appears to be no signage giving the restrictions to do
with that yellow single line on GSV on that side of the road
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tkdxZUvfYFB17WG77
although there is on
the other side. An expert will be along shortly to say whether
that matters or not. Were there signs on that side of the road
when you parked?
#Post#: 58508--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 17, 2025, 6:45 am
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--- Quote from: coffee pot link ---
>
> There appears to be no signage giving the restrictions to do
with that yellow single line on GSV on that side of the road
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tkdxZUvfYFB17WG77
although there is on
the other side. An expert will be along shortly to say whether
that matters or not. Were there signs on that side of the road
when you parked?
>
--- End Quote ---
There is a sign some way down the street, but not actually by a
yellow line !
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/PhAnf4Bd4j5UPF9z9
Looks like the usual council bovine stupidity when it comes to
signing restrictions.
So don't just cough-up straightaway like >95% do. Submit
representations that the contravention did not occur as there
are no signs in place that define the parking restrictions for
the yellow line. Post up their usual Fob-Off letter when you get
it so we can check it for fatal errors.
#Post#: 58515--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: M456
Date: February 17, 2025, 6:54 am
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The restriction sign shown in picture 2 is located on the
streetlight in front of the white van in this GSV:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/g7wRbtJDhwtC8WecA
The vehicle if it was in the GSV would have been parked in front
of the white van.
#Post#: 58518--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: coffee pot
Date: February 17, 2025, 6:57 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=coffee pot link=topic=5102.msg58498#msg58498
date=1739792593]
> There appears to be no signage giving the restrictions to do
with that yellow single line on GSV on that side of the road
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tkdxZUvfYFB17WG77
although there is on
the other side. An expert will be along shortly to say whether
that matters or not. Were there signs on that side of the road
when you parked?
>
--- End Quote ---
There is a sign some way down the street, but not actually by a
yellow line !
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/PhAnf4Bd4j5UPF9z9
Looks like the usual council bovine stupidity when it comes to
signing restrictions.
So don't just cough-up straightaway like >95% do. Submit
representations that the contravention did not occur as there
are no signs in place that define the parking restrictions for
the yellow line. Post up their usual Fob-Off letter when you get
it so we can check it for fatal errors.
[/quote]
That sign appears to me to be to do with permitting the bays
underneath to be used as pavement parking at the specified times
and I thought that the sign [member=1106]M456[/member] notes
appeared to be to be to do with cold callers. However, they are
quite right, and after a lot of shuffling around I finally found
this. However, even with the might of Photoshop I can't decipher
it, so I guess the OP is going to have to go back to inspect
it.[attachimg=1]
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 58519--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 17, 2025, 7:01 am
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They fixed the signage. The yellow line is only live from
11am-12 noon so was easily avoidable. London Councils guidance
is not to ticket within 2 mins of start and end of yellow line
times but yours is timed at 11:04. They could probably have also
issued a footway parking PCN but that may have been more easily
beaten here.
I've posted below a tribunal case that is relevant in that you
were picking up a preordered 'good' that while not being a
postal packet is a medical item containing papers of use.
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Case reference 2240543206
Appellant Roshan Khan
Authority London Borough of Newham
VRM FR10LZM
PCN Details
PCN PN39398162
Contravention date 09 Aug 2024
Contravention time 09:52:00
Contravention location Broadway
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Parked in a loading place without loading
Referral date -
Decision Date 15 Jan 2025
Adjudicator Sean Stanton-Dunne
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to
Owner.
Reasons Mr Khan was scheduled for a personal hearing today but
was unable to attend and confirmed that the appeal should be
decided as a postal appeal.
Mr Khan's evidence is that he parked in the loading bay to
collect his mother and her belongings, following an eye
appointment at Moorfields Hospital. There is documentary
confirmation from the hospital of the appointment and I accept
Mr Khan's evidence that his mother needed assistance in
returning to the car because of the eye drops used during the
appointment. I also accept Mr Khan's evidence that he had
returned to collect his mother after dropping her off for the
9.15am appointment and that he had not waited, as suggested by
the Council. Mr Khan says that he was parked for about 10
minutes. Mr Khan has explained that the belongings included
paperwork from the appointment.
I am satisfied that the vehicle was properly stopped for loading
purposes. The TMO defines "goods" which can be loaded in very
broad terms, including the collection of postal packets. I see
no distinction between a postal packet and paperwork issued by
the hospital which will often be contained within an envelope.
The collection of belongings and paperwork can, in my judgement,
properly be regarded as the collection of goods within the terms
of the TMO.
#Post#: 58522--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge - 01 Parking in a restricted street - Wrong Time
on images
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 17, 2025, 7:06 am
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Also, what time did you park there as we could also try the 10
min grace from being in parking designated by the pavement
parking sign.
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