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Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: henryjago
Date: March 23, 2025, 2:19 pm
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Thanks, I will send tomorrow. Shall I come back to you when they
reject? Presumably I will need to kick-off the tribunal process.
Would you or someone else represent me? It seems you represent
loads of people on here, so I have no desire to take anything
for granted.
#Post#: 63878--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: henryjago
Date: March 23, 2025, 3:54 pm
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member]. Just seen you post below. I am at
formal rep stage following the receipt of an Enforcement Notice
from TfL for being in a Bus Lane-
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] has been assisting. Reaching out
to you as requested. Do I need to do/change anything in the
light of your post before I fire off the representation?
--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> This is a general announcement that all TFL's red route PCNs
have another systemic flaw that renders them all open to
challenge, but only if the motorist does not take any action
without being given some specific instructions which I'd rather
not ventilate publicly. If all such cases could be flagged to me
I'll do my best to deal with them individually.
>
> This is separate to the section 76(3) point which affects all
their roadside PCNs, with the consequence that all TFL's parking
PCNs are open to appeal one way or the other.
>
> This issue might also affect bus lanes, moving traffic, ULEZ
and congestion charge PCNs, I'll have to wait to see one before
I can confirm.
>
> If TFL are reading this, I promise you I'm really, really not
trying to target you more than any other authority, it's just
that your processes are $hit and have more holes than a sieve,
that's not my fault.
>
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#Post#: 63918--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 24, 2025, 6:03 am
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--- Quote from: henryjago link ---
>
> Thanks, I will send tomorrow. Shall I come back to you when
they reject? Presumably I will need to kick-off the tribunal
process. Would you or someone else represent me? It seems you
represent loads of people on here, so I have no desire to take
anything for granted.
>
--- End Quote ---
I will do so if you agree.
#Post#: 63945--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: henryjago
Date: March 24, 2025, 9:00 am
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Thank you. Given your success rate, that would be great. Shall I
come back to you when I receive a Notice of Rejection from TfL?
If so should I do anything else in the meantime?
#Post#: 63964--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 24, 2025, 1:21 pm
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--- Quote from: henryjago link ---
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> Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member]. Just seen you post below. I am
at formal rep stage following the receipt of an Enforcement
Notice from TfL for being in a Bus Lane-
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] has been assisting. Reaching out
to you as requested. Do I need to do/change anything in the
light of your post before I fire off the representation?
>
--- End Quote ---
No, an additional angle could have been used at the orignal PCN
stage but for a bus lane case, it hardly matters.
#Post#: 63994--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 24, 2025, 5:08 pm
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[member=4394]henryjago[/member] I believe there is another page
where at the top they state that the Enforcement Notice is a
PCN? If so, please show the page and stick that argument in
too.
#Post#: 64124--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: henryjago
Date: March 25, 2025, 2:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> [member=4394]henryjago[/member] I believe there is another
page where at the top they state that the Enforcement Notice is
a PCN? If so, please show the page and stick that argument in
too.
>
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Thanks [member=24]Hippocrates[/member]. This is at the top of
the second page of the EN. I can include a further para in the
representation that says "The notes on Page 2 of the Enforcement
Notice incorrectly refers to the Notice as a Penalty Charge
Notice and is both misleading and confusing".
Is this what you had in mind?
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#Post#: 64187--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 26, 2025, 5:58 am
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Yes. Write they have misidentified the En with the PCN.
#Post#: 64300--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: henryjago
Date: March 26, 2025, 4:29 pm
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Thanks - the formal representation is ready to go and I'll send
through the post (tracked) tomorrow. Final version below
(without images as they are included earlier in the thread). I
will get back in touch [member=24]Hippocrates[/member] when the
letter of rejection arrives - in the meantime, do let me know if
you need anything ahead of the Tribunal stage. Thanks again for
your help to date.
Formal Representation against Enforcement Notice (Penalty Charge
Notice (PCN) GX2209961A)
I am writing to formally challenge the above Enforcement Notice
regarding an alleged bus lane contravention for the reasons set
out below.
1. Inadequate advance warning of the bus lane. A blue sign in
Camden Road just before Lyme Street is obscured by a Congestion
Charge sign. Please see Image 1. I stood in the inside lane of
the road to take this photo. There should be adequate advance
warning of the presence of a bus lane.
2.
at Camden Street. The inside lane becomes the bus lane
immediately after the yellow box junction with traffic lights at
Camden Street. The bus lane starts so close to the junction that
the dotted white line of the bus lane meets the yellow line of
the box junction – see Image 2. Therefore, motorists in the
inside lane at the junction intending to drive straight on are
not permitted to exit the junction in the same lane. However,
the arrow marker on the road at the stop line indicates
motorists may continue straight on – see Image 3 taken from
Google Street, but doing so results in a fine. I believe there
is a duty on TfL to ensure signs and road markings are clear and
not misleading.
3.
words “Bus Lane” written on the tarmac from its commencement at
Camden Street to the end. Other bus lanes in the Camden area do.
4.
Notice as a Penalty Charge Notice - see Image 4. This inaccuracy
is misleading and confusing.
The PCN itself is unenforceable because:
5.
confusing as the legislation pertaining to Bus Lane enforcement
refers to actions which may be taken by the authority and/or
appellant from the date of the Notice.
6.
of the Enforcement Notice will not be treated as a formal
representation." fetters discretion and is contrary to the
legislation in that it clearly implies that you will send an
Enforcement Notice when the legislation states "may" at 4(3)(e)
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/4/enacted
7.
appeal." is absurd and flies in the face of the law and natural
justice. Additionally, the following statement about
consideration seems to contradict what has been previously
stated.
8.
days of the service date of this notice will result in the
Enforcement Notice automatically being sent to you after this
period." similarly fetters discretion and mis-states the time
period.
I therefore request the penalty be cancelled thereby avoiding
further time and effort for both parties.
Yours sincerely,
#Post#: 64305--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL, Being in a Bus Lane, Camden Road SW-BND FROM CAMDEN
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DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 26, 2025, 4:52 pm
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> I'll send through the post (tracked) tomorrow.
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Normally, post 1st Class at any post office counter and obtain
proof of posting is advised. The law the defines it as served 2
days later. Signed for post to large organisations is not
reliable.
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