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#Post#: 57520--------------------------------------------------
Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Bergy10
Date: February 10, 2025, 3:06 pm
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Hey all, great job on the new forum. Shame we have lost the
content on the old site but great to see that the fight
continues.
Back on topic, so I received a PCN recently, pretty much
identical to the one on this post below.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/brent-cc53-st-michaels-jw-mora-road/msg233/#msg233
The images of the PCN are atta hed below:
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/ALi83ys.jpeg
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/MqEDZr3.jpeg
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/Ll16HKi.jpeg
The video from the camera is below:
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/OIPYVCK.mp4
The images of the camera are below:
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/E2LoxAy.jpeg
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/RMxn2Wu.jpeg
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/UXah9SR.jpeg
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/CjC42R9.jpeg
I read through the thread and it was cancelled at the tribunal.
However can not see the arguments that were made or the actual
reps that were submitted. Just the reasoning from the person who
ruled in favour of cabcelling.
I have returned to the scene tonight to take some pictures
because google maps' latest images are from 2022.
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/O8cfFIA.jpeg
When turning from St Michael's Road it is almost impossible to
see that sign (to the right of the last image) as it is only
directly visible for those coming from the road to the left in
the image above.
Is this a straightfoward case with the precedent in the link I
shared earlier or will it need to go to the tribunal?
Thanks for all your help everyone and continuing to provide your
knowledge to the public.
#Post#: 57524--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 10, 2025, 3:22 pm
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1. Previous case.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mReKzYmILiGkaUI6d6_Rj3AqRY8zBWkm/view
2. Video: if this is their primary evidence, Specsavers time?:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/OIPYVCK.mp4
3. Wording issue with the PCN re date of service: why is this
included after date of PCN?
4. AFAIR, their website is none too famous re grounds? BUT, we
need the PCN and VRM details to check please.
#Post#: 57540--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Bergy10
Date: February 10, 2025, 5:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> 1. Previous case.
>
>
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1mReKzYmILiGkaUI6d6_Rj3AqRY8zBWkm&export=inline
>
> 2. Video: if this is their primary evidence, Specsavers time?:
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/OIPYVCK.mp4
>
> 3. Wording issue with the PCN re date of service: why is this
included after date of PCN?
>
> 4. AFAIR, their website is none too famous re grounds? BUT,
we need the PCN and VRM details to check please.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hey Hippocrates, thanks for the response. I have updated my post
with the unredacted PCN.
I left it redacted at first because I attached all the images
but maybe wasn't required.
#Post#: 57946--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Bergy10
Date: February 13, 2025, 8:28 am
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Hi Hippocrates, hope all is well.
I had unredacted the PCN and Reg soon after your post requesting
it the other day and just wanted to check in to see if you had
seen it.
#Post#: 58111--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Bergy10
Date: February 14, 2025, 9:25 am
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Does anyone else have any ideas or views on this?
[member=1]cp8759[/member] maybe?
#Post#: 58153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 14, 2025, 1:19 pm
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[member=4387]Bergy10[/member] have a look at these cases:
Muhammadmaisam Datoo v London Borough of Brent (2240196951, 29
July 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X8WGsVS-DSfY_ndf6VsbOTKUYO880bQG/view
Timur Tagirov v London Borough of Brent (224040544A, 25 November
2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OR0w4cuAvqycftgpJFcYAokK_iPRAJdU/view
You want to keep this argument in reserve for the tribunal
stage, where the following screenshots might come in handy:
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/gEtUozy.png
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/2lc1pcG.png
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/hJHIxaC.png
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Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Bergy10
Date: February 14, 2025, 3:13 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member], thank you for the response.
I have gone through both of those cases as well as the one
linked in my first post that was in the same location and was
supported by this forum.
I note the following but do not understand what it is trying to
say:
"I find that the argument advanced in relation to the lack of
consistency
between the grounds of appeal on the Authority's PCN and those
on the
website, is well founded"
I believe it is referring to the following but even then I am
not sure what the argument is:
"When entering the Authority's website a motorist is faced with
a general
representation invitation, and then as you progress it provides
a box for the
representation, I find, as the vast majority of other
Adjudicator have decided,
that this is not sufficient, fair or acceptable."
Is it possible to view the evidence and arguments that were
submitted on the website if I try searching for it? That would
help me understand what it is the judge was agreeing with.
Thanks again for your help by the way.
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Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 15, 2025, 6:48 am
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In short the argument is that the ground of appeal should be
listed on the website as well as on the PCN, otherwise when you
make representations online you're not properly on notice as to
what the statutory ground are. However as hinted above, this is
definitely an argument you want to keep in reserve for the
tribunal stage.
For now I recommend you post a draft representation so that we
can check it for you before you submit it.
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Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Bergy10
Date: February 16, 2025, 5:26 pm
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Thanks [member=1]cp8759[/member],
I think I understand. So what would be the grounds for making
the initial representations? The fact the signs are not visible
when coming down the road I came from as they are pointed at a
90 degree angle to the road I was on? Anything else you think I
should mention?
Thanks
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Re: Brent PCN Code 53: Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 16, 2025, 5:31 pm
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[member=4387]Bergy10[/member] is this sign still there?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/FZodkYyVGP6VLHcU7
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