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#Post#: 57506--------------------------------------------------
Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted
street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: terika4e
Date: February 10, 2025, 1:29 pm
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Hi all,
I recently received a Notice to Owner in my name. I was never
aware of the PCN as none was placed upon my windshield (as the
photos show) nor have I received any previous correspondence.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Cheers.
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#Post#: 57511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street - code(02)
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: February 10, 2025, 1:53 pm
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Please re-post the NtO (all sides) - only redact yr name and
address, leave all else in -
with a GSV link to the location - see for guidance
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 57521--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: terika4e
Date: February 10, 2025, 3:10 pm
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Thanks for the advice.
Copy of NtO
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16tV8koxQB2DQaMHqyuhoH2uBNR21KRCh?usp=sharing
GSV link
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5kZDjTPJVbqVwrDj6
(Parked near the red
gates)
Cheers.
#Post#: 57532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 10, 2025, 4:00 pm
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OK, so I looked at the photos taken by the CEO which clearly
show your car by a set of double-yellow lines that mean No
Parking 24x7. I assume the van parked alongside you got a PCN
too.
Any reason for ignoring them ?
Location is close to Manchester United's ground. Where you at a
match ?
#Post#: 57541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: terika4e
Date: February 10, 2025, 5:14 pm
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I was working in the venue across the road (Victoria Warehouse)
and I took a chance as parking was controlled by security guards
who would not let me park on-site despite it being for staff (a
regular occurance here).
As for the van there was no visible windscreen notice when I got
back to my vehicle (same with mine as shown by the pictures)
#Post#: 57544--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 10, 2025, 5:42 pm
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Trouble with taking a chance a CEO won't turn up, is they often
do and in big cities, they patrol 24x7 because the PCNs they
serve make so much money. Did you know the councils keep all the
money paid in penalties ?
#Post#: 57546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: terika4e
Date: February 10, 2025, 6:10 pm
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Yeah I know, didn't have much of a choice that evening however.
What grounds do I have for appeal?
#Post#: 57547--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 10, 2025, 6:22 pm
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--- Quote from: terika4e link ---
>
> Yeah I know, didn't have much of a choice that evening
however.
>
> What grounds do I have for appeal?
>
--- End Quote ---
I can't see any viable grounds at the moment, but somebody may
see something.
There may also be a "technical" appeal based on council
mismanagement of the enforcement process, and nothing to do with
the actual alleged contravention. This is governed by the
Traffic Management Act 2004, and a set of regulations. Councils
must follow what the regulations require them to do, so if they
don't the PCN is void as not following what the law and
regulations is a 'procedural impropriety'. Trouble is for these
sort of appeals is they are dealt with at the adjudicators, and
the full PCN penalty is in play, the discount option has gone by
then.
#Post#: 58642--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: terika4e
Date: February 17, 2025, 3:06 pm
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--- Quote ---
> There may also be a "technical" appeal based on council
mismanagement of the enforcement process
--- End Quote ---
Can anyone give me some pointers on anything I could research
here that is applicable to my case? Like I said this is my first
letter about this which suggests the process hasn't been
followed correctly.
Thanks.
#Post#: 58664--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trafford Council - Parked or loading/unloading in a
restricted street code (02) - Victoria Place
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 17, 2025, 5:01 pm
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--- Quote from: terika4e link ---
>
> [quote]There may also be a "technical" appeal based on council
mismanagement of the enforcement process
--- End Quote ---
Can anyone give me some pointers on anything I could research
here that is applicable to my case? Like I said this is my first
letter about this which suggests the process hasn't been
followed correctly.
Thanks.
[/quote]
Wins have been acheived in London where the council webpages for
submitting representations don't match the statutory grounds for
an appeal listed on your Notice to Owner, or which only allow
selection of a single statutory ground. So have a look there. If
you could capture the various screens and post them here we
could look at them. A council error here would come under
statutory grounds of "procedural impropriety", and win an
adjudication. However, first you have to submit reps against the
NtO; only after these are rejected can you go to TPT.
In the absence of any faults in their website pages, your reps
could also point out that with no PCN found on your car, you
lost the opportunity to pay the discount.
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