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#Post#: 56517--------------------------------------------------
TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: February 4, 2025, 4:23 am
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This is the second PCN that I've posted up today.
One difference, the Haringey one state 28 days from the date of
this letter, this TFL one states 28 days from the date of
service. Why the difference? Is one incorrect?
I don't even remember stopping on that day, it may have been to
buy a bottle of water as I was feeling parched and unwell. I'm
a diabetic.
Here are the pictures, can anyone help?
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HTML https://imgur.com/a/Tfb0DCQ
HTML https://imgur.com/a/nrCqBpU
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#Post#: 56542--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 4, 2025, 6:05 am
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The TfL PCN on this thread is under the Traffic Management Act
2004, where deadlines are from date of service. Your other PCN
is probably under the LLA & TfL Act 2003, which is, basically,
flawed in that deadline to pay is from date of notice, and date
to submit reps is from date of service. It really is about time
this latter Act was junked and London councils and TfL forced to
use the TMA 2004.
#Post#: 57891--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: February 12, 2025, 5:26 pm
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I've either got to pay this soon or make representations.
Obviously I'd rather do the latter but can someone tell me what
grounds I may have an appeal case?
#Post#: 58945--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 19, 2025, 4:29 pm
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[member=237]Korting[/member] for now put in a one-line
representation saying that the alleged contravention did not
occur, submit this via the TFL website and take a screenshot of
the confirmation page.
In the morning call TFL on 0343 222 3333 and ask for the CCTV,
they will send you a DVD in the post.
The TMO is The GLA Roads and GLA Side Roads (Southwark) Red
Route Consolidation Traffic Order 2007
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AFuwdX8e18gHL3gZfZmVZnJwC2Kvq6vj/view<br
/>as amended by The GLA Roads and GLA Side Roads (Southwark) Red
Route Consolidation Traffic Order 2007 A202 GLA Road Variation
Order 2014
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YlrWhyO9kuYXqYrOMP9JxlzflpCqe_SD/view,<br
/>the relevant entry is at page 2 of the 2014 Order:
[indent]
A202 CAMBERWELL NEW ROAD, the north-east side, from a point 1
metre north-west of the common boundary of No.177 to 183
Camberwell New Road and No. 185 Camberwell New Road to a point 1
metre north-west of the common boundary of Nos. 171 and 173
Camberwell New Road.
[/indent]
This is all wrong, No.177 to 183 Camberwell New Road is the
Co-Op here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/xhtKS3GwDRSiubeX8
so the bay
should start 1 metre from the boundary between the Co-op and the
house at number 185, the bay should run to the point where the
laundrette's door is seen here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/91gXwv4zPfAi5jWV6
TFL might argue that because you were stopped where a bay should
be marked this doesn't matter, but it's definitely worth running
the argument at the tribunal that the road is not marked
correctly (and the sign should be facing traffic and it isn't).
And then there's the issue that the Notice of Rejection template
used by TFL is flawed, that's a tried and tested ground. I think
TFL have now tried six or seven reviews and they've failed every
time.
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Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 20, 2025, 4:31 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The TfL PCN on this thread is under the Traffic Management Act
2004, where deadlines are from date of service. Your other PCN
is probably under the LLA & TfL Act 2003, which is, basically,
flawed in that deadline to pay is from date of notice, and date
to submit reps is from date of service. It really is about time
this latter Act was junked and London councils and TfL forced to
use the TMA 2004.
>
--- End Quote ---
As mrmustard would say: be careful what you wish for. The less
homogeneity, the better chances we have of winning as the
council minions are not completely au fait with the
legislation(s) and their subtle differences. But, who am I to
preach in view of my petition! Another conundrum which bothers
me every day.
#Post#: 59096--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: February 20, 2025, 2:49 pm
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The only thing I put on the appeal was 'the contravention did
not occur'
They were supposed to send me a confirmation email, they have
not done so.
#Post#: 60214--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: March 2, 2025, 8:23 am
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It's well over a week since I put in an appeal, also on Monday I
phoned and requested a DVD of the video, Whilst on the phone
the assistant told me that my appeal had been rejected and that
I should have had an email, I have not, then I was told the
rejection was sent in the post, I still haven't received it or
the DVD.
Where do I go from here?
I need a code from TFL to go to tribunal, what happens if the
letter never arrives?
#Post#: 60237--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 2, 2025, 10:04 am
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--- Quote from: Korting link ---
>
> I need a code from TFL to go to tribunal, what happens if the
letter never arrives?
>
--- End Quote ---
There is no code for TFL cases, and you don't need to receive
the rejection: you can appeal anyway as long as you know a
notice of rejection exists. I'll drop you an email.
#Post#: 88187--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 3, 2025, 3:16 am
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Outcome
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LzCni38qqrYV1P6HVhn8CGkFHcOO3AH7/view.
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Re: TFL Stopping on a red route
DIR By: Korting
Date: September 3, 2025, 4:00 am
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Thank you all very much, fantastic result. Now to the next one.
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