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#Post#: 56478--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 3, 2025, 5:13 pm
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To put it simply, as a motorist, you are required to look for
the sign for the bay in which you parked your car to make sure
you have adhered to the conditions put on it. If the sign for
your car had no suspension sign on it, then the alleged
contravention did not occur.
#Post#: 56483--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: ixo
Date: February 3, 2025, 5:43 pm
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Thanks all for your responses, much appreciated.
Copy of the rear of the PCN is at the following link:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pQBouVI
#Post#: 56597--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 4, 2025, 10:36 am
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Havering has not put its pics up so contact them and ask for
them to be made available.
HTML https://havering-self.achieveservice.com/service/lbh-Parking-PCN-Online-enquiry-form
#Post#: 56598--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: ixo
Date: February 4, 2025, 10:44 am
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Is that pictures of the signage that were put in place during
the suspension, or pictures taken by the warden related to the
specific PCN?
Do they need to publish the pictures on a specific web page?
I just want to make sure I'm asking them the right question. Do
I need to refer to the PCN number in my request?
Would they typically respond quickly to such requests?
Thanks all
Also a bit of a concern that
#Post#: 56600--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 4, 2025, 10:46 am
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I mean the pics the CEO took when issuing the PCN. They will
probably show the suspension sign they rely on which won't be by
your car.
#Post#: 56605--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: ixo
Date: February 4, 2025, 11:04 am
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Ok, thanks. I have submitted the following query:
"photographs taken by the CEO when issuing the PCN have not been
made available. Please provide copies of these photographs."
Received an email confirming receipt of query with the following
message:
"Your reference number is F684723584.
Thank you for submitting LBH Parking PCN Online enquiry form."
I'll update post once I receive a reply
#Post#: 56629--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 4, 2025, 12:43 pm
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The CEO's photos are now online:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/QWvGKoK.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/i5XHbIi.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/3kuMCMY.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/TcngAM6.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/KDygSyA.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/QcbAutZ.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/mzNVvBl.jpeg
The last photo helpfully confirms that there was no suspension
sign on the regulatory sign just ahead of your car, so you were
entitled to rely on that sign. Here's a simple challenge:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Havering,
I challenge this PCN on the ground that the alleged
contravention did not occur. This is because when I got out of
my car I did not see any suspension signs, the regulatory sign
just in front of my car was not in fact carrying any suspension
sign and this is confirmed by the last CEO photo taken from
behind my car. I saw the regulatory sign and I was entitled to
rely on it, once I found the PCN I determined that there was
another regulatory sign further along that did have a suspension
sign, but that suspension sign was obscured by the roadworks
signs, see the attached images. In light of the inadequate
signage the contravention did not occur, and the PCN must be
cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send this online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page,
also upload at least the first three photos that you've taken
yourself (if the council website only lets you upload three it
doesn't matter if you can't upload the fourth one).
#Post#: 56646--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: ixo
Date: February 4, 2025, 1:21 pm
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In the first image the suspension sign is attached to a lamp
post (can identify it and from comparison to Google street view
as the post is white colour) which has a "no loading" sign. So
this suspension notice is not attached to the regulatory
"disabled bay" sign. Not sure if this weakens the appeal at all.
Certainly as noted above, the first disabled bay sign (which is
in front of the vehicle) does not have a suspension sign
attached.
#Post#: 56666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: ixo
Date: February 4, 2025, 3:25 pm
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Appeal submitted.
Many thanks to all that have provided guidance to prepare the
appeal, much appreciated.
Informal Challenge Form
Thank you for your correspondence, your reference number is:
W20768396
Please keep this for your records, you will receive a response
to your correspondence by post or email, within 56 working days.
#Post#: 56732--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering, Parking in a suspended bay - Branfill Road,
Upminster
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 5, 2025, 8:11 am
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Are you the registered keeper of the car? I ask because history
suggests that the authority will reject your informal reps and
therefore the registered keeper - on whom a NTO would be served-
comes into play.
Current DVLA keeper details?
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