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#Post#: 56243--------------------------------------------------
Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents' Bay
- Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: tasty_snacks
Date: February 2, 2025, 10:21 am
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Hi all
Received the Notice to Owner for this alleged offence. I parked
here whilst using the train station nearby. I had a good look
around the road, there were no signs on the roadside, no marked
bays, no yellow lines. There weren't any CPZ signs on approach
either - at least, not that I saw (subsequently confirmed by
Google view).
The evidence of photos online includes a picture of a road sign,
but I'm not sure where this is - the houses in the background
certainly don't look like the ones where I parked. I've looked
for 50+ yards along the road from where I was online and there
is no evidence of signage.
It's been a while since I've dealt with resident bays - I guess
my appeal will likely be 'contravention did not occur' based on
the above / 20 min rule for loading?
Front page
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lYCPPDzPUdmCiQbelq4KRiuZv6yMXWDj/view?usp=drive_link
Back page
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ubuMZwkoQ0nV_ofCzy5NZScTNI-7Pi6T/view?usp=drive_link
Google Maps view
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6455797,0.0811498,3a,75y,177.67h,78.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siXzdh5IK_nwiaoFE35bSgA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D11.714999721721085%26panoid%3DiXzdh5IK_nwiaoFE35bSgA%26yaw%3D177.6680880849986!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Cheers
#Post#: 56260--------------------------------------------------
Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 2, 2025, 12:39 pm
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Sorry, can't open your Google Drive links, please set to
'public'
Obviously you didn't notice this sign at the entrance to the
street: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ojXAHa7TxZawM95D8
#Post#: 56301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: tasty_snacks
Date: February 3, 2025, 12:57 am
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Sorry about that, now set to unrestricted.
Damn it - I didn't see that sign at all. Have now checked the
rest of the road and there are signs at entrance points to the
zones on one side of the road:
Google map - North (Ladyfields)
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6463804,0.0795329,3a,75y,152.77h,74.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYqKI652ljllxusOfmI923g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D15.992052262557337%26panoid%3DYqKI652ljllxusOfmI923g%26yaw%3D152.76717564904465!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Google Map - West (Colson Rd)
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6445154,0.0765497,3a,75y,116.48h,91.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNyZJTLoGiqnht7sOIF2pxQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.4114151297682724%26panoid%3DNyZJTLoGiqnht7sOIF2pxQ%26yaw%3D116.48452616341736!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Google Map - South (Lushes Rd)
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6439345,0.0758435,3a,75y,128.28h,87.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stO8jXgpP1xYLsqXhFofbCg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.7183185294736205%26panoid%3DtO8jXgpP1xYLsqXhFofbCg%26yaw%3D128.28330439107924!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Would've been more visible were it not set just after the turn
from a busy road, and on both sides of the road. In fact, isn't
there an obligation to place the warning sign on both sides if
roads are over a certain width?
EDIT - have just found a resi permit sign on G maps
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6455228,0.08099,3a,75y,304.66h,85.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stRY_pdJVWBCBlyPuViuPBw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.7056732984411695%26panoid%3DtRY_pdJVWBCBlyPuViuPBw%26yaw%3D304.65921583998016!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D,<br
/>albeit on the other side about 30 yards away. I didn't see any
of these at teh time.
Thanks
#Post#: 56305--------------------------------------------------
Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 3, 2025, 3:54 am
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Your last link on GSV shows a repeater sign. Where these areas
are large, repeater signs are recommended.
--- Quote ---
> I parked here whilst using the train station nearby
--- End Quote ---
This is your clue to why this zone exists. The old mantra of
"when something looks too good to be true, it usually is too
good to be true.
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Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 3, 2025, 5:04 am
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What did you do with the PCN which was attached to your vehicle?
Were informal reps made and if so pl post along with the
council's response.
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Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: tasty_snacks
Date: February 3, 2025, 1:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
>
> [quote]This is your clue to why this zone exists. The old
mantra of "when something looks too good to be true, it usually
is too good to be true.
>
--- End Quote ---
Perhaps so. But not relevant if the signage is non-compliant
(which sadly, is not looking to be the case here)? Besides, my
experience of parking at local stations (admittedly here in the
West Country) is that you can park very close to the station
without restriction.
--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> What did you do with the PCN which was attached to your
vehicle?
>
> Were informal reps made and if so pl post along with the
council's response.
>
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I have the hard copy, can post if helpful.
I didn't make any informal reps. I've never had any success with
them in the past - so just waited for the NtO.[/quote]
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Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 3, 2025, 5:00 pm
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The West Country is far more relaxed than London ! If that's
where you live, best to go to London by train.
#Post#: 56579--------------------------------------------------
Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: tasty_snacks
Date: February 4, 2025, 9:45 am
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Ha! Well, three trains and a cart horse, in my case. :)
#Post#: 56593--------------------------------------------------
Re: Essex (Nth Essex Parking Partnership) - Parked in Residents'
Bay - Colson Rd, Debden
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 4, 2025, 10:29 am
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It's a permit parking area and they only need one sign at entry
but it must be clear. You have to suspect controlled parking
near stations, hospitals etc.
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