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Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: b789
Date: February 6, 2025, 7:21 am
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No appeal to the operator is ever going to be accepted, no
matter how blatantly absurd their claim is. No money in it for
them.
Whilst I personally wouldn't bother with a subsequent IAS
secondary appeal, as that kangaroo court only serves its
paymasters, and that ain't you. Others would advise you give it
a shot anyway. So, save those details for any secondary appeal
and, more likely, a Witness Statement should the inevitable
county court claim progress as far as a hearing, which it won't.
#Post#: 56943--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: Sander333
Date: February 6, 2025, 10:11 am
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I have received acknowledgement of my appeal which was advised
and had automated reply.
Is there any point at this stage making a complaint to the land
owner. I have also asked the LA why they have placed speed limit
signs on private land in order to establish whether the council
tax payer has had to foot the bill or Welsh Government. Will be
interesting reply.
#Post#: 56946--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: b789
Date: February 6, 2025, 10:16 am
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Plan A, a complaint to the landowner is always worthwhile. We
take it for granted that the recipient of what they consider and
unfair PCN would try Plan A.
Let us know what the LA come back with.
#Post#: 57059--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: Sander333
Date: February 7, 2025, 4:30 am
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I have submitted an e mail to the Landowner as per advice and
will wait for their reply if any.
#Post#: 57602--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: Sander333
Date: February 11, 2025, 8:12 am
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I have had a reply from the local authority regarding the
placing of speed limit signs on Private Land I also asked in my
initial e mail who was paying for the privelige of these signs.
I have also written to Landowner regarding the PCN yet to hear
back.
Any observations would be appreciated
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Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: b789
Date: February 11, 2025, 8:39 am
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A classic example of officious waste of public money. In other
words, they have taken it upon themselves to nanny motorists by
putting up speed limit signs at the entrance to private property
where no such legal obligation exists.
Utter waste of public funds and inexcusable. If what they are
claiming were necessary, they should put up such signs at the
entrance to every driveway in their borough. Equally, they would
be required to put a sign on the other side of it indicating the
speed limit of the public highway that the driveway leads onto.
Doesn't really affect the case but you should get your local
media interested in this nanny state waste of public taxes.
#Post#: 57852--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: Sander333
Date: February 12, 2025, 12:32 pm
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I have had my appeal to the Private Parking Company rejected
which comes as no surprise. Is it worth putting the rejection
letter up for viewing.
I would like assistance in forming an appeal to I A S given all
the circumstances especially in relation to signage
Section 3.1.1
An entrance sign must be displayed and maintained at the
entrance to the controlled land to inform drivers as
appropriate whether parking is permitted subject to terms and
conditions including payment or is prohibited unless
The nature of the premises makes this unnecessary such that
drivers would not reasonably assume parking was permissible
gives an example of a small shop forecourt or private driveway.
As one can see there are no signs at all at the entrance of the
Industrial/ Retail Park on one of the two entrances.The one that
does have one states P Welcome in blue on the offside of the
road when driving into the estate this sign is not conspicuous
and is placed on the side of the road where there are yellow
lines.
The other sub section relates to where signs are not practicable
e.g where local planning restrictions prohibit such signs.
I feel that as the driver entered the estate at an entrance
where no signs were displayed this needs to be considered.
Further subsection 3.1.3 states that signs placed on the
controlled land drivers have the chance to read them at the time
of parking or leaving the vehicle it adds that the signs must be
clearly visible to the driver from a distance and legible on
approach.
Given the fact that the signs were placed on the ground behind
parking bays whereby they are obstructed to the view of a driver
when a vehicle is parked in a parking bay where they are sited
this in itself must hold credence.
These signs could have been placed strategically on the building
alongside the signs indicating that customers only should park
in the parking bays. It Wouk’s make sense to have the relative
signs places at every parking bay.
I look forward to your valuable advice in formulating my
appeal.It will be very interesting what the outcome from IAS
will be.
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Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: Sander333
Date: February 13, 2025, 6:24 am
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I have copied the rejection reply which I assume is the usual
general rejection letter sent out.
Thank you for your appeal against the above Parking Charge
Notice.
At UK CPM we consider all appeals on a case-by-case basis. We
take each appeal very seriously and thoroughly investigate any
evidence that has been provided. We appreciate your
circumstances and understand this is not a situation anyone
would like to find themselves in; however, these parking
conditions have been put in place to ensure fair usage for all
motorists and support the needs of our client. After careful
consideration, it is unfortunate that I am writing to you today
to advise that on this occasion, your appeal has been
unsuccessful.
The decision to uphold your parking charge notice has been made
on the following basis.
Whilst we note the comments and reason for appeal, as per our
photographic evidence, the vehicle was parked in contravention
of the advertised terms and conditions. As the vehicle was not
parked fully within a bay, we can confirm that this PCN has been
issued correctly.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure
and therefore you now have two options; either pay or appeal to
the Independent Appeals Service (IAS) - you cannot do both.
To make payment of the total amount due as shown above, please
use one of the following payment options;
Online: www.paymyticket.co.uk
#Post#: 57954--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: b789
Date: February 13, 2025, 8:54 am
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In this appeals process, you are playing against a stacked deck.
UKCPM were never going to accept any appeal. The IAS are this
independent:
UKCPM belong to the International Parking Community (IPC) is the
trading name of United Trade and Industry Ltd. The IPCs director
are Will Hurley and John Davies (John Llewellyn Gladstone
Davies). The Independent Appeals Service Ltd (IAS), has the
following directors... Will Hurley. Which firm of bottom
dwelling solicitors do you think they use for their bulk
litigation? Yes, Gladstones, and who do you think the MD of
Gladstones is? Yes, John Davies.
If you want to waste your time on a futile IAS appeal, be my
guest. However, I would advise waiting out all the useless debt
crawler letters that are going to come your way and when they
issue a claim, that is when you will win. The debt collectors
are powerless and can be safely ignored. Do not ever, ever,
communicate with a useless debt collector.
Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) and we will
advise you through the inevitable strike out or discontinuation.
You have a very strong defence as you cannot be liable as the
Keeper because their NtK is not fully compliant with PoFA,
9(2)(b) and 9(2)(e)(i). Also, they are in breach of the PPSCoP
sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.3.
#Post#: 57957--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking charge Cwmdu Industrial Estate Gendros Swansea
DIR By: Sander333
Date: February 13, 2025, 9:02 am
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Thanks for the advice will await what comes next.
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