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#Post#: 56504--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: unzippy
Date: February 4, 2025, 3:00 am
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--- Quote from: Southpaw82 link ---
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> [quote author=unzippy link=topic=4922.msg56441#msg56441
date=1738613628]
> [quote author=Southpaw82 link=topic=4922.msg56283#msg56283
date=1738533628]
> Free parking (in that there is no charge for parking) provided
certain other conditions are met isn’t necessarily incorrect.
The sign has to be read in context.
>
--- End Quote ---
And when one of those 'conditions' involves spending money, so
that you to be allowed to park without incurring a charge?
[/quote]
Have you been charged for the parking?
[/quote]
What's that got to do with the price of fish?
I'm asking about the validity of the lack of info in the
signage, not help with a ticket.
#Post#: 56505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: unzippy
Date: February 4, 2025, 3:04 am
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--- Quote from: mickR link ---
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> [quote author=unzippy link=topic=4922.msg56440#msg56440
date=1738613379]
> [quote author=mickR link=topic=4922.msg56286#msg56286
date=1738533957]
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> and what did the store manager say when you queried it with
them?
> you did didn't you?
>
--- End Quote ---
Dunno if it was the store manager but the person I asked said
that they had a 10m in grace period before being charged. I
replied that the sign said there was a 90 minute period before
being charged. ;D
[/quote]
NO. ... about your issue with having to provide a receipt to
enter your VRM.
[/quote]
Shrugged and looked blank. So I went and bought a pint of milk
so that I could get my 'Free Parking'.
#Post#: 56508--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 4, 2025, 3:33 am
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> What's that got to do with the price of fish?
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His question would appear to be hypothetical, he's not
suggesting you've got a ticket.
One of your apparent issues with the set up here is that you
believe the free parking is not 'free' if you have to make a
purchase:
--- Quote from: unzippy link ---
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> The point I'm trying to make is that it's not free if you need
to purchase something
>
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With that in mind, Southpaw82's question seems entirely relevant
- in the situation you describe, would a driver have been
charged for parking when making a purchase?
I'm conscious we're now 32 replies in, and it's still not clear
whether the shop are happy to provide a receipt to use the
terminal for people who visit without making a purchase - if
they are, much of this debate would probably be moot.
#Post#: 56512--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: February 4, 2025, 4:10 am
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--- Quote from: unzippy link ---
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> What's that got to do with the price of fish?
>
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Lots. Maybe answer questions instead of gobbing off at people
because you perceive it as not fitting your agenda.
#Post#: 56535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: February 4, 2025, 5:29 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
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>
> I'm conscious we're now 32 replies in, and it's still not
clear whether the shop are happy to provide a receipt to use the
terminal for people who visit without making a purchase - if
they are, much of this debate would probably be moot.
>
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As a Lidl customer in many of their stores my experience is that
if one does not make a purchase for any reason the cashier will
provide a "receipt" to use at the terminal to log the vehicle
registration. Usually there are many receipts around the
terminals which can be used if no is purchase made.
The purpose of using these "registration" terminals is to
discourage parking by those who do not use the store. At my
local Lidl it is common to see people park and then leave the
premises to shop elsewhere then return and enter Lidls
presumably to purchase or use the terminal. Lidl seem to
tolerate this.
#Post#: 56584--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 4, 2025, 10:03 am
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Who makes up the rules as they go along?
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Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: mickR
Date: February 4, 2025, 10:28 am
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--- Quote from: unzippy link ---
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> [quote author=mickR link=topic=4922.msg56452#msg56452
date=1738618384]
> [quote author=unzippy link=topic=4922.msg56440#msg56440
date=1738613379]
> [quote author=mickR link=topic=4922.msg56286#msg56286
date=1738533957]
>
> and what did the store manager say when you queried it with
them?
> you did didn't you?
>
--- End Quote ---
Dunno if it was the store manager but the person I asked said
that they had a 10m in grace period before being charged. I
replied that the sign said there was a 90 minute period before
being charged. ;D
[/quote]
NO. ... about your issue with having to provide a receipt to
enter your VRM.
[/quote]
Shrugged and looked blank. So I went and bought a pint of milk
so that I could get my 'Free Parking'.
[/quote]
so what did you pay for?
the milk or the parking?
#Post#: 56617--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: February 4, 2025, 11:43 am
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The sign says "Customer Parking Only".
To be a customer I'm sure you agree that you need to enter the
shop as a minimum.
So, enter the shop and buy something if you want to. If they
haven't got what you want, or you don't see anything you fancy,
or you've just gone in for five minutes to get out of the cold
(in which case your status as a customer could be challenged but
I doubt anyone will bother), and you cannot enter your VRM
because you haven't got a receipt, see a member of staff and I'm
sure they will help you out. Either that or pick up one of the
many receipts that will be lying on the floor by the self-serve
checkouts (some retailers provide a bin to put them in so you
might be able to take one from there).
The parking conditions make no requirement to make a purchase.
You have assumed that you must but you don't. Lidl's will make
arrangements for you to enter your VRM if you are unable to.
Job Done! 8)
PS - I would argue that the parking is free even if you have to
make a purchase. Most Sainsbury's work on that principle. You
pay to park (maximum 2 hours) and get a refund as you checkout
(Minimum £5 spend in my local branch). You have to spend a
fiver, but when you do the parking is free.
#Post#: 56777--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: prophet01
Date: February 5, 2025, 11:47 am
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The sign specifies three "conditions" of parking.
It then goes on to state the penalty for breaching the "terms"
of parking.
The sign does not specify any "terms" of parking.
Suficient ambiguity to argue any attempted penalty imposition
for failing to comply with unspecified "terms"
The phrase "Terms & Conditions" springs to mind.
#Post#: 56778--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 5, 2025, 11:57 am
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Trying to argue to a judge that you don't owe any money because
you didn't breach the "terms" of parking, on the basis that the
sign only mentioned "conditions" would certainly be an
optimistic* strategy.
*other words may be more suitable, but may not pass the forum's
strong language filter.
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