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#Post#: 55913--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: January 30, 2025, 1:18 pm
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I'm offended by people who start random threads to express their
offence at signage stating "Free Parking" and then post an image
of the offending sign which does not contain those words.
Also, if there is a contractual offer of the right to park in
return for entering your VRM, by necessary implication the
offeror promises to provide the facility to enter your VRM. I
would suggest that this is not frustration (albeit both this
thread and the potential issue are frustrating) as this is
within the offeror's (of his agent's or principal's) control.
#Post#: 55926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: Dave Green
Date: January 30, 2025, 2:22 pm
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
> Since the sign does not state that a purchase is required to
use the VRM terminal, the "free parking" offer appears to be
unconditional—at least as per the written terms on the sign.
>
--- End Quote ---
But what the sign does state at the top is "Customer parking
only" and as the definition of a customer when using the term as
relating to a shop is:
a person who buys goods or services from a shop or business.
or:
one that purchases a commodity or service
it stands to reason that you must buy something when wishing to
avail yourself of the free parking.
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Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: Dave Green
Date: January 30, 2025, 2:25 pm
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
>
> I'm offended by people who start random threads to express
their offence at signage stating "Free Parking" and then post an
image of the offending sign which does not contain those words.
--- End Quote ---
Does not contain those words?
"You must enter your vehicle registration number using the
terminal in store to receive 90 minutes free parking"
#Post#: 55930--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: roythebus
Date: January 30, 2025, 2:46 pm
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At my local Lidl in Ashford (Kent, for the sake of clarity, the
other Ashford is in surrey), a customer can either use a scanned
receipt and enter the VRM or just enter the VRM. The signage is
confusing as there's a leisure centre on the same block which
allows up to 2 hours free parking if using the leisure centre by
entering the VRM on the screen in reception. Lidl, which shares
the same car park, allows 90 minutes. so if I go to the osteo in
the leisure centre then shopping in Lidle, can I park for free
for three and a half hours?
Just remember, in any later correspondence never admit to being
the driver.
#Post#: 56090--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: unzippy
Date: January 31, 2025, 4:19 pm
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--- Quote from: roythebus link ---
>
> At my local Lidl in Ashford (Kent, for the sake of clarity,
the other Ashford is in surrey), a customer can either use a
scanned receipt and enter the VRM or just enter the VRM.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's my point. I guess I have no issue with them having the
system (well I do actually - technically speaking the ANPR
cameras are clocking the cars in and out, they know perfectly
well who overstayed the 'Free Parking' time limit. There's
absolutely no need to be entering reg numbers) it's the
requirement to spend money in order to enter your reg that gets
up my nose.
According the staff member I spoke to about it there's a 10 min
grace period, also not mentioned in the signage. However that
wasn't useful in this instance as that's not long enough for my
74 year old Dad to enter the store and check out the middle
aisle delights.
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Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: unzippy
Date: January 31, 2025, 4:26 pm
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
>
> I'm offended by people who start random threads to express
their offence at signage stating "Free Parking" and then post an
image of the offending sign which does not contain those words.
>
--- End Quote ---
Does this help?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/HauA0AT.jpeg
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Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 31, 2025, 5:09 pm
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> There's absolutely no need to be entering reg numbers
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The VRM terminal system is presumably an attempt to enforce the
'customer parking only' part of their set up.
I realise this seems to still be a hypothetical set up, but if
your dad's penchant for a middle aisle bargain sees him receive
a PCN, anecdotally Lidl can be quite good at intervening and
cancelling charges for their customers.
#Post#: 56136--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: February 1, 2025, 9:02 am
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Yes, I missed those words, but the point remains. The sign shown
does not "state 'Free Parking'". It states, amongst other
things, that customers must enter their reg number to receive
free parking.
"Free Parking" with capitalised initial letters would tend to
emphasise that parking was offered free of charge or condition.
Particularly if it was a stand-alone statement.
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Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: mickR
Date: February 1, 2025, 9:18 am
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I'm sure some will think there may be an argument around the
"customer" aspect, as it doesn't specify of whom.
I'm a customer of Stacey's erotic massage Sainsbury's (bloody
predictive text)
I'm sure a judge would say I've seen you there it's ovious the
sign meant at the site it's placed.
if entering vrm at the terminal is a contion of free parking, is
it necessary to add receipt required?
you could buy something then return it for a refund and obtain a
receipt without paying anything.
#Post#: 56156--------------------------------------------------
Re: Incorrect signage?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 1, 2025, 12:35 pm
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In such situations I tend to use my loaf rather than buying one.
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