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       #Post#: 55872--------------------------------------------------
       Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: unzippy
       Date: January 30, 2025, 9:39 am
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       Hello.
       Is there any mileage when signage is incorrect?
       the Lidl carpark signage states 'Free Parking' and to get that
       you must enter your registration in store.
       In order to enter your reg you need to scan your receipt first.
       In order to get a receipt you need to buy something.
       If you need to spend money, how can it be free parking?
       For comparison the local ALdi has the same system, minus the
       need for the receipt
       Just be clear - I haven't got a ticket, I'm just offended by the
       sign!
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       #Post#: 55876--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: b789
       Date: January 30, 2025, 9:57 am
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       It's private land. If you own the land, you can put up a sign
       that says anything.
       #Post#: 55887--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: 666
       Date: January 30, 2025, 10:54 am
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       --- Quote from: b789 link ---
       >
       > It's private land. If you own the land, you can put up a sign
       that says anything.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Possibly, but if you intend to rely on that sign to regulate
       parking then you need to be a bit more careful.
       One of our parking experts will no doubt provide a more helpful
       answer.
       #Post#: 55889--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: DWMB2
       Date: January 30, 2025, 11:06 am
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       The original question was whether there is "any mileage when
       signage is incorrect".
       It's not quite clear to me what exactly is meant by that
       question. If the OP was asking if they can take any action
       against anyone on the basis of the signage alone (in the absence
       of a PCN having been issued etc.), then b789's answer would seem
       to be a decent succinct summary of the situation.
       Whether the signage would be capable of forming a contract
       between the parking operator and a particular driver would be
       another matter, and would depend on the circumstances of the
       particular case.
       #Post#: 55894--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: b789
       Date: January 30, 2025, 11:24 am
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       Sorry, I'm not a "sign expert" but I do consider myself a
       "parking expert", at least when it comes to unregulated private
       parking companies. So, I shall refine my answer:
       If the landowner wants to rely on the sign to enforce parking
       terms, they must ensure it is accurate and not misleading. The
       sign claims 'free parking', but requiring a purchase contradicts
       this and could render it unenforceable if challenged. Misleading
       signage won't hold up in a legal dispute.
       However, my original answer still stands because, fundamentally,
       the owner of private land has the freedom to put up a sign with
       any message, as long as it doesn’t break laws such as
       advertising regulations, planning restrictions, or public
       nuisance laws. The content of the sign itself doesn’t matter
       unless they intend to enforce it or use it to mislead or defraud
       someone, in which case stricter rules apply.
       #Post#: 55901--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: Dave Green
       Date: January 30, 2025, 12:08 pm
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       --- Quote from: unzippy link ---
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       > In order to get a receipt you need to buy something.
       > If you need to spend money, how can it be free parking?
       --- End Quote ---
       Of course it's still free parking even if you have to spend
       money on something else.
       If you buy a loaf of bread for £1 and you don't have a car, £1
       is what you pay.
       If you've parked up in their carpark and buy the same loaf of
       bread and get your parking ticket validated, you have still only
       paid £1 and as there was no additional charge for the parking,
       it is free.
       If you saw an advert in PC world for a TV with a free soundbar,
       would you expect to be able to walk in and get the soundbar
       without having to spend any money?
       The offer of free parking at Lidl's is no different. You have to
       spend money on something to entitle you to the freebie.
       #Post#: 55905--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: DWMB2
       Date: January 30, 2025, 12:19 pm
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       Although the requirement to purchase something does bring up an
       interesting thought - if you turn up in good faith to buy a loaf
       of bread, as per Dave's example, but arrive to find they have
       run out, would the store give you a receipt to use the parking
       terminal, or would you essentially be faced with the choice of
       either buying something you didn't want vs receiving a £100
       parking charge and having to fight your case with ParkingEye?
       #Post#: 55906--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: Boomer
       Date: January 30, 2025, 12:22 pm
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       The sign (contract) says that to park (for free) you "must enter
       your vehicle registration using the terminal in store". No
       mention of receipts, or how you qualify as a "customer".
       If they prevent you from entering your vehicle registration
       because you don't have a receipt, isn't that frustration of
       contract or something?
       #Post#: 55909--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: DWMB2
       Date: January 30, 2025, 12:33 pm
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       I think in such situations there would be all sorts of arguments
       one could deploy to fight the charge, but on a purely practical
       level it'd be a bit of a ridiculous state of affairs if one was
       issued in such a circumstance and surely wouldn't be
       particularly good for Lidl's business.
       Of course this is all hypothetical, although it is the Flame
       Pit.
       #Post#: 55911--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Incorrect signage?
   DIR By: b789
       Date: January 30, 2025, 12:53 pm
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       Given what we do know, based solely on the sign, the conditions
       and the scenario can be consolidated as follows:
       1. What the Sign States:
       [indent]• The sign explicitly states that the driver must input
       their vehicle registration number (VRM) in a terminal inside the
       store to receive free parking during store trading hours.
       • Outside of store trading hours, the sign allows free parking
       for the same 90-minute period without requiring VRM entry,
       presumably because the terminal is inaccessible.[/indent]
       2. No Mention of a Purchase Requirement:
       [indent]• Since the sign does not state that a purchase is
       required to use the VRM terminal, the "free parking" offer
       appears to be unconditional—at least as per the written terms on
       the sign.
       • If, in practice, the terminal requires a receipt to validate
       parking, this would contradict the sign and create ambiguity,
       potentially rendering the parking terms unenforceable if
       challenged.[/indent]
       3. Potential Practical Issues:
       [indent]• If a driver enters the store intending to comply by
       entering their VRM but finds that the terminal requires a
       purchase receipt, they would face an unclear situation. Without
       prior knowledge of this hidden condition, the driver could
       inadvertently breach the terms.
       • Similarly, if the driver is unable to use the terminal due to
       no purchases (e.g., items out of stock or no desire to buy
       anything), the driver could be unfairly penalised despite acting
       in good faith.[/indent]
       4. Equal Free Parking Outside Store Hours:
       [indent]• The allowance of 90 minutes of free parking outside
       store hours, without any VRM entry requirement, highlights the
       inconsistency in enforcing the VRM entry during trading hours.
       If parking is offered unconditionally outside trading hours,
       requiring VRM input during trading hours could be seen as an
       unnecessary and potentially arbitrary restriction.[/indent]
       Conclusion:
       [indent]• The sign itself does not explicitly require a
       purchase, so the offer of "free parking" appears valid on the
       face of it.
       • However, if the store in practice requires a receipt to access
       the VRM terminal, it creates an unwritten condition that
       contradicts the sign, making the parking terms unclear and
       unenforceable.
       • Lidl and ParkingEye would have to clarify this ambiguity,
       either by updating the sign to explicitly mention receipt
       validation or ensuring that VRM entry is accessible without a
       purchase. Clear communication is essential if the sign is
       intended to form a contract with the driver.[/indent]
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