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Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: January 30, 2025, 4:57 am
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I have recieved a 50R penalty charge notice. It was dark and i
didnt realise there was a no right turn. I dont normally go on
those roads. So not aware there was even such a prohibition.
Is it worth fighting this or paying up ?
I have one too many tickets and cant afford to be paying these
tickets or just get rid of the car!!
Would really appreciate as I am currently without a job and this
is killing me
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: 666
Date: January 30, 2025, 5:38 am
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--- Quote from: StunnedDad link ---
>
> I have recieved a 50R penalty charge notice. It was dark and i
didnt realise there was a no right turn. I dont normally go on
those roads. So not aware there was even such a prohibition.
>
>
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A quick look on Streetview shows three 'No Right Turn' signs,
all illuminated.
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 30, 2025, 5:57 am
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I believe TfL postal PCNs based on CCTV evidence are vulnerable
to a particular argument, so wait until others have responded,
but don't miss the deadline for payment or reps submission or
it's game-over.
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: February 5, 2025, 4:35 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I believe TfL postal PCNs based on CCTV evidence are
vulnerable to a particular argument, so wait until others have
responded, but don't miss the deadline for payment or reps
submission or it's game-over.
>
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Havent had any more responses to this request. Wish I could
access the old history, to see how to best deal with this
situation.
Or should I just pay up ?
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 5, 2025, 7:31 am
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--- Quote from: StunnedDad link ---
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> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=4912.msg55826#msg55826
date=1738238253]
> I believe TfL postal PCNs based on CCTV evidence are
vulnerable to a particular argument, so wait until others have
responded, but don't miss the deadline for payment or reps
submission or it's game-over.
>
--- End Quote ---
Havent had any more responses to this request. Wish I could
access the old history, to see how to best deal with this
situation.
Or should I just pay up ?
[/quote]
Send a PM to Hippocrates first.
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 8, 2025, 7:43 am
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[member=1040]StunnedDad[/member] firstly give us the PCN number,
for some reason you've redacted it. Also call TFL on 0343 222
3333 and ask for the video, they will send you a DVD and put the
penalty on hold while you wait.
TFL have so many flaws in their processes that every single one
of their PCNs are open to challenge, and if you act promptly you
can appeal to the tribunal without even risking the discount, so
there's no point in paying now.
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 8, 2025, 4:59 pm
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I have replied via PM and suggest cp8759 is best placed as he
and TFL know each other. ;D
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: StunnedDad
Date: February 8, 2025, 7:02 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [member=1040]StunnedDad[/member] firstly give us the PCN
number, for some reason you've redacted it. Also call TFL on
0343 222 3333 and ask for the video, they will send you a DVD
and put the penalty on hold while you wait.
>
> TFL have so many flaws in their processes that every single
one of their PCNs are open to challenge, and if you act promptly
you can appeal to the tribunal without even risking the
discount, so there's no point in paying now.
>
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PCN is GX22020697, sorry didnt realise. Here it is.
Appreciate the response, will call TFL and ask for DVD proof to
buy me some time.
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Re: Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - LEE HIGH ROAD
SE-BND JW CLARENDON RISE SE13
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 9, 2025, 7:33 am
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For reference the traffic order is The GLA Roads and GLA Side
Roads (Banned Movements) Traffic Order 2024
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r3AeoGZ3wU1OyItl7vTsy3SK-r_R1-si/view.<br
/>I suspect the restriction exists because otherwise traffic
waiting to turn right would cause a queue that could block the
previous junction, which is a major crossroad; the way to avoid
this in future is to turn right into Lewis Grove and then left
into Albion Way.
TFL photos:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/vr7u6VD.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/2H4GsN6.jpeg
GSV:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/xp9Swd5R2TWE6m7i7
In terms of signage it's hard to see what else they could do,
they've got three signs and you somehow missed all of them but
they were there to be seen, so we'll have to go for some sort of
technical challenge. The discount has already expired so at this
point it's all or nothing, and with no discount on offer the
main challenge to TFL's Notice of Rejection falls away (though
it won't hurt to ask for the discount in the representations).
In the circumstances I'd suggest your best bet is the strategy
of last resort, which is explained here:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-cumberland-road-w7-code-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehic/msg56444/#msg56444
An example of this working is found in Simandeep Johal v London
Borough of Lewisham (2230428653, 4 November 2023)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uO4vGI2oqMEn4AfG0PX8a90jO0Imon3E/view<br
/>but it requires some mitigation evidence to be available, it
doesn't need to be anything connected to the contravention but
it does have to be mitigating in some respect. Anything such as
evidence of ill-health, recent bereavement, financial problems
and so on.
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