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dvla penalty charge when vehicle has never been on the road
DIR By: TEMPLEJOY
Date: January 30, 2025, 3:39 am
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Hi
I have a horse lorry that I sorn in winter, I then taxed it in
May 24 as I was using it to go to a show, but it broke down on
leaving the farm! We then bought another one (were looking for a
smaller one anyway). As we were waiting for a repair & I didn't
get to use it all summer I forgot that I taxed it for 6months in
May so it ran out 31/10/24. Then I received a penalty letter
from the DVLA at the end of November issuing a fine of £80 (£40
if paid promptly) as the tax had run out but I didn't SORN it
again.
They say you can appeal, but my query is that the lorry has not
left the farm yard & is for sale so is advertised on websites &
I can prove with dated photos that it has not moved from our own
farm yard since the tax ran out on 01/11/2024 (or indeed prior
to that)
My point is I thought you were only liable if the vehicle was
caught being used on a road when un taxed or with a SORN on it,
If it is on your own private land why am I liable & is it worth
appealing.
My other point is that we also have other vehicles here
including a tractor & we get tax reminders for those but I never
got one for the lorry - I have rung the DVLA but get no sense
out of them - they are sending me an appeal pack but don't know
if its worth bothering - also why is their reminder letter
service so hap hazard - either they send tax reminders or they
don't surely? When disc were displayed it was so much easier,.
Having no dics & no reminders sent open it up to people
forgetting & then having to pay fines - easy way to make money
for the dvla (I don't advocate dodging taxing obviously - what
I'm getting at is its easy to make a genuine mistake & forget &
go over a few days/weeks without discs being displayed & no
reminders & then you end up paying it late) hope this make
sense! many thanks any advice or thoughts
#Post#: 55807--------------------------------------------------
Re: dvla penalty charge when vehicle has never been on the road
DIR By: mickR
Date: January 30, 2025, 3:48 am
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basically it was taxed but it ran out and you forgot to sorn it.
I'll be surprised if they accept an appeal on the basis you
haven't been on the road with it.
#Post#: 55808--------------------------------------------------
Re: dvla penalty charge when vehicle has never been on the road
DIR By: Freecall
Date: January 30, 2025, 3:51 am
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Unfortunately forgetting is not a defence.
Your comments about it not being used on the road are not
relevant, you are required to either tax it or SORN it. If you
don't do either of these you will be in breach of the
legislation.
BTW is it insured?
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Re: dvla penalty charge when vehicle has never been on the road
DIR By: TEMPLEJOY
Date: January 30, 2025, 4:05 am
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--- Quote from: Freecall link ---
>
> Unfortunately forgetting is not a defence.
>
> Your comments about it not being used on the road are not
relevant, you are required to either tax it or SORN it. If you
don't do either of these you will be in breach of the
legislation.
>
> BTW is it insured?
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi there - yes it is insured. I guess I am annoyed as the
reminder system is hap hazard - had I had a letter it would have
prompted me - yet with the tractor we have had a reminder
letter, tho the cost to tax those is zero. DVLA cant provide me
with their policy of reminder letters (I queried this by live
chat as only way I could talk to a human!) & all they would say
is that some people get reminder letters - others do not - so
who decides that! Sometimes yes I have forgotten & have taxed
something a few days after it was due but have never driven
anything untaxed where as there are no doubt many people on the
UK roads with no tax mot or insurance ever!!
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Re: dvla penalty charge when vehicle has never been on the road
DIR By: Freecall
Date: January 30, 2025, 4:49 am
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That response from the DVLA doesn't sound very helpful.
It is the intention of the DVLA to stop sending out the
traditional (postal) V11 documents, to which you are referring
to as reminders.
The plan is to have all motoring related documents managed
through the personal 'Driver & Vehicles Account'. Here you will
be able to set up all the electronic reminders you need for as
many vehicles as you have - including reminders for your MOT
tests which are not part of the remit of the DVLA.
I would have thought that the DVLA would have been able to tell
you this.
You can find details of how to register here
HTML https://www.gov.uk/driver-vehicles-account.
#Post#: 55932--------------------------------------------------
Re: dvla penalty charge when vehicle has never been on the road
DIR By: roythebus
Date: January 30, 2025, 2:54 pm
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The DVLA are notorious with their delays in replying to letters.
I'v been waiting 10 and a half months for my vocational licence
renewal!
I declared SORN on a car that I'd stopped using in mid-November,
they claim they never received it (done online) and nicked a
month's road tax for December...
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