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Haringey Council - Code 52(M) - Failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles) - Down
DIR By: Madaagodo
Date: January 28, 2025, 2:23 pm
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Hi everyone,
I am posting on behalf of a friend who has received two Charge
Certificates for Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs) that were never
received. She is extremely shocked as this is the first time she
is hearing about these penalties.
Here are the details as per the council's records:
First PCN:
• Contravention Date: 30/11/2024 at 14:37
• PCN Issue Date: 17/12/2024 at 03:00
• Charge Certificate Issued: 27/01/2025
• Contravention: 52(M) - Failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain types of vehicle
• Location: Downhills Park Road N17 (Walpole Road Eastbound)
Second PCN:
• Contravention Date: 01/12/2024 at 00:47
• PCN Issue Date: 17/12/2024 at 03:00
• Charge Certificate Issued: 27/01/2025
• Contravention: 52(M) - Failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain types of vehicle
• Location: Downhills Park Road N17 (Walpole Road Westbound)
Issue:
The registered keeper never received the original PCNs. If they
had, they would have either paid or appealed within the time
limit. Now, the charge has increased by 50%, making each penalty
£195 instead of £130.
From my understanding, at the Charge Certificate stage, the
enforcement authority will not engage and will likely advise
waiting for the Order for Recovery (TE3/TE9 forms).
Questions:
1) For Moving Traffic Contraventions (MTC) issued by a traffic
enforcement camera, how long does the council have to issue the
PCN? Is it 14 days or 21 days?
2) Are these counted as working days or calendar days?
3) If the time limit is 14 days, does this mean these PCNs are
invalid since they were issued on 17/12/2024, more than 14 days
after the contravention?
4) What is the best course of action at this stage? Should we
wait for the Order for Recovery and submit a statutory
declaration stating that the PCNs were not received?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated, as this is very
stressful. Thank you in advance for your help!
Charge Certificate - 1
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1864Eyl6b1tChbXGynPDOENWSF2v7Ffpz/view?usp=sharing
Charge Certificate 2
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WydjYqoCcNe24t5_BNQVDjp9W2zqPDsp/view?usp=sharing
Video for the 1st PCN
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WSm-lLU8iKjPaUScP_3RTHBMw31E45c2/view?usp=sharing
Video for the 2nd PCN
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x5r9NLpTgoM4O3EenHQYaBTl3HLJG7KA/view?usp=sharing
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Re: Haringey Council - Code 52(M) - Failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles) -
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: January 28, 2025, 2:32 pm
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Does her name and address match in every particular that on her
V5C?
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Re: Haringey Council - Code 52(M) - Failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles) -
DIR By: Madaagodo
Date: January 28, 2025, 3:16 pm
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> Does her name and address match in every particular that on
her V5C?
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Yes it does
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Re: Haringey Council - Code 52(M) - Failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles) -
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: January 28, 2025, 3:33 pm
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Have a read of (and show her)
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/
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Re: Haringey Council - Code 52(M) - Failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles) -
DIR By: Madaagodo
Date: January 29, 2025, 9:21 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
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> Have a read of (and show her)
>
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/
>
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Thank you, I have read it as well and I have advised them to
wait for the Order of recovery
just out of curiosity For Moving Traffic Contraventions (MTC)
issued by a traffic enforcement camera, how long does the
council have to issue the PCN from the date of the contravention
, 14, 21 or 28 days
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Re: Haringey Council - Code 52(M) - Failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles) -
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 29, 2025, 10:44 am
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28 days. When you get this resolved, I am happy to represent you
in view of the fact that an adjudicator has found the PCN
invalid.
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