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#Post#: 55535--------------------------------------------------
Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: January 28, 2025, 7:38 am
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Hello all,
Unfortunately I have received the attached PCN dated 23/01/2025
from Hammersmith & Fulham Council for a 52M alleged traffic
contravention. I honestly did not see the signs, I was driving
with my kids in the back and maybe wasn't concentrating fully on
the signs but I did not spot them. The first time I found out
about the alleged contravention was when I received the PCN.
Obviously not seeing the signs/markings are not a valid reason
to get a PCN cancelled so I would appreciate the forum's
feedback on whether the PCN is worth challenging and if so on
what basis. I will try and see if I can find the TMO.
Many thanks in advance
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Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 28, 2025, 9:46 am
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Their sole evidence is a video which we need to see, but you've
blanked out PCN Number and car reg so we can't go and look. Post
it here if you can.
#Post#: 55583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: January 28, 2025, 10:40 am
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Hi, please find the video attached.
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Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 28, 2025, 11:25 am
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--- Quote from: Johnsmith86 link ---
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> Hi, please find the video attached.
>
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Video shows you charging past the signs without hesitation,
following others who, of course, may be permit holders. I see no
grounds at the moment for an appeal against the contravention
itself, but this doesn't mean game-over, as there may well be a
'technical' appeal based on H&F mismanagement of the enforcement
process. Such appeals can and do win on their own, so see what
others come up with.
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Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 28, 2025, 4:16 pm
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This council has a record of first-time cancellations including
at this location.
Were you going anywhere locally - they usually like that.
Eg:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/imperial-road-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-types-of-vehicle-(/
#Post#: 55664--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Johnsmith86
Date: January 28, 2025, 4:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=Johnsmith86 link=topic=4886.msg55583#msg55583
date=1738082434]
> Hi, please find the video attached.
>
--- End Quote ---
Video shows you charging past the signs without hesitation,
following others who, of course, may be permit holders. I see no
grounds at the moment for an appeal against the contravention
itself, but this doesn't mean game-over, as there may well be a
'technical' appeal based on H&F mismanagement of the enforcement
process. Such appeals can and do win on their own, so see what
others come up with.
[/quote]
Yes I understand how it looks but when you have two hyper active
boys in the back seat being silly, believe me its very easy to
miss such signs and road markings plus it was my first time in
that area.
Like I said in my initial post, I am fully aware that not seeing
the signs/markings are not a valid reason to get a PCN cancelled
but I still believe I have nothing to lose if I appeal it. I was
visiting the local Gambado kids play area so I could try and
explain it was a mistake but I would rather challenge it on some
other point (i.e. wording, signage, etc..) if possible.
#Post#: 55677--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham , PCN 52 M failing to comply with a
prohibition on certain types of vehicle
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 28, 2025, 6:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Johnsmith86 link ---
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> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=4886.msg55598#msg55598
date=1738085156]
> [quote author=Johnsmith86 link=topic=4886.msg55583#msg55583
date=1738082434]
> Hi, please find the video attached.
>
--- End Quote ---
Video shows you charging past the signs without hesitation,
following others who, of course, may be permit holders. I see no
grounds at the moment for an appeal against the contravention
itself, but this doesn't mean game-over, as there may well be a
'technical' appeal based on H&F mismanagement of the enforcement
process. Such appeals can and do win on their own, so see what
others come up with.
[/quote]
Yes I understand how it looks but when you have two hyper active
boys in the back seat being silly, believe me its very easy to
miss such signs and road markings plus it was my first time in
that area.
Like I said in my initial post, I am fully aware that not seeing
the signs/markings are not a valid reason to get a PCN cancelled
but I still believe I have nothing to lose if I appeal it. I was
visiting the local Gambado kids play area so I could try and
explain it was a mistake but I would rather challenge it on some
other point (i.e. wording, signage, etc..) if possible.
[/quote]
Yes, yes, submit reps and you may get lucky ! Don't let me
disuade you.
Don't be confrontational, but emphasise your difficulties while
driving around with your little loved ones, and being local, as
Stamfordman suggests.
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