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53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles entering a
pedestrian zone
DIR By: James Mallom
Date: January 26, 2025, 4:27 pm
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Post Requesting Assistance with PCN Appeal
Hi everyone,
I need some help with drafting an appeal for two PCNs my wife
received. On 20th January 2025, while attending a blood test
appointment at a clinic on Perrymans Farm Road, Ilford, she
unknowingly entered a restricted area. The PCNs were issued 17
minutes apart — one at 8:23 am entering from Horns Road and the
second at 8:40 am exiting to Horns Road, Ilford
She wasn’t aware that the signage had changed and that there had
been a restriction in place since June of last year I believe.
She entered the area purely for her medical appointment and had
no intention of violating the rules.
If anyone could assist me in writing a strong appeals letter to
contest these PCNs, I would be very grateful. Thank you in
advance for your help!
Best regards,
James
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 26, 2025, 4:57 pm
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There will be two videos for the two PCNs. You have blanked out
car reg and PCN number so we can't go and look at them, so
please download them and post them here, OR unblank the relevant
information. You only need to blank-out your name and address.
On Horns Road there are these warning signs: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/H4ddVrVSrqAwqPiG6
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/H4ddVrVSrqAwqPiG6
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/j2wuV7QwrmtkJA267
However the actual restriction sign at the entrance to Perrymans
Farm Road is flawed. It has a blue sign below the main sign
stating the restriction only applies during term time. Well who
knows when these are ? I believe an appeal at London Tribunals
has been won on this point.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/oqchZKt9EjtL8MnB8
The photos on your second PCN at 08.40 shows your car entering
from the other end of the restriction at the junction with
Youngs Road. GSV is too out-of-date to show the signs, so we'd
need photos of the approach to assess sign adequacy.
However, we really need to see the videos, as this is their sole
evidence of the alleged contravention.
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: James Mallom
Date: January 26, 2025, 7:07 pm
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Please see videos thank you
HTML https://vimeo.com/1050601119/51121cf083?share=copy
HTML https://vimeo.com/1050601126/1b87c93637
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 27, 2025, 4:16 am
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Sorry, but your videos don't work. All there is are black
rectangles with the text "Sorry
We’re having a little trouble", displayed.
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 27, 2025, 5:51 am
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The term-time blue sign is proscribed.
Case won recently.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestrian-zone/msg49432/#msg49432
Suggest reps.:
Dear Redbridge
Ref: PCN VRM
I make this formal representation:
The contravention did not occur as the sign referring to term
time is proscribed. As per school parking restrictions, how is a
driver expected to know the times of any term time in advance?
Please cancel the PCN therefore.
Yours
Reg. keeper
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: James Mallom
Date: January 27, 2025, 10:52 am
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Sorry please try this
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/16slo-TAarhDZPgb4I3Sf03B6-TR4ssdA/view?usp=drivesdk
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MWRRQ_z8439rr4VUBakEt29Slmr4nP_i/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: James Mallom
Date: January 27, 2025, 10:57 am
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HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MWRRQ_z8439rr4VUBakEt29Slmr4nP_i/view?usp=drivesdk
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/16slo-TAarhDZPgb4I3Sf03B6-TR4ssdA/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 27, 2025, 11:31 am
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Your links won't open because you still have them set to
'Private'. You need to set them to 'Public'
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: James Mallom
Date: January 27, 2025, 5:02 pm
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Thank you the links are set to public now
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Re: 53j- Failing to comply with restrictions on vehicles
entering a pedestrian zone
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 27, 2025, 5:31 pm
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The signs at each end of the restricted area are unlawful
because they all have a blue sign "term time only", but do not
tell you what the start and end dates are. In contrast, signs
at entrances to parking zones where special event day
restrictions are in place, like near football grounds, must
state the next event date.
Appeals have been won on this, so don't cough-up, but instead
submit Hippocrates draft for representations. Post their
response when you get it.
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