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#Post#: 54751--------------------------------------------------
NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN THE
A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION (443
DIR By: samosa
Date: January 23, 2025, 12:18 pm
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Hi there
It appears that the NIP has been issued & received more than 14
days after the contravention.
According to Staffordshire Police portal:
"- offence occurred on 31/12/2024
- Notice sent on 08/01/2025
- New driver nominated on 20/01/2025"
However, the NIP is dated 20/01/2025. I received it today. This
would suggest they are outside of 14 days? Does this mean the
NIP is now unenforceable?
NIP viewable here:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IsOPMmYuNunk2mNpPgrPbPVNCrUuI5z1/view?usp=sharing
Thanks in advance for your guidance.
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#Post#: 54760--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: January 23, 2025, 12:46 pm
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Suggests to me that the first NIP was sent to Registered Keeper,
they then named you as the driver and so a new notice was issued
on the 20th. So who is the RK and what is your relationship to
the vehicle in question?
Since only the first notice has a 14 day limit, and there is no
suggestion that it was served late on the RK, doesn't appear the
allegation of speeding has any chance of being defined due to a
failure to serve the notice in time.
#Post#: 54761--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
DIR By: RichardW
Date: January 23, 2025, 12:47 pm
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14 days only applies to the first NIP sent to the registered
keeper. From your time line this appears to have occured, and is
not you, so your NIP is OK from this point of view.
#Post#: 54763--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
DIR By: samosa
Date: January 23, 2025, 1:01 pm
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--- Quote from: FuzzyDuck link ---
>
> Suggests to me that the first NIP was sent to Registered
Keeper, they then named you as the driver and so a new notice
was issued on the 20th. So who is the RK and what is your
relationship to the vehicle in question?
>
> Since only the first notice has a 14 day limit, and there is
no suggestion that it was served late on the RK, doesn't appear
the allegation of speeding has any chance of being defined due
to a failure to serve the notice in time.
>
--- End Quote ---
Many thanks for your swift reply.
The RK is the leasing company who have leased the car to my ltd
company (I am the company director). What you have said now
makes sense to me. They would have provided my ltd company
details which then triggered the 2nd NIP addressed to my ltd
company.
In essence it appears the NIP is correctly.
Now turning to the offence, the location provided by Staffs
police is vague and photos provided only show our vehicle
without any other part of the road which would help us in
identifying the location. I don't recall the offence occurring.
Nor does my co-director who was part driving throughout the
long journey from London to Manchester.
Are we likely to get anywhere by querying this with Staffs
police or do one of us just take the hit and accept the points &
fine?
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Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: January 23, 2025, 1:19 pm
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Location doesn't seem vague to me, between the two points
mentioned it is only around 2 miles. It appears that this
stretch of the A500 is currently subject to a temporary 50MPH
speed limit enforced by average speed cameras. So quoting a 2
mile stretch as the location is quite normal and as expected.
So who was driving at this part of the journey? At the stage all
you are being asked to do is confirm the name of the driver.
#Post#: 54772--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
DIR By: samosa
Date: January 23, 2025, 1:32 pm
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Not being familiar with the area, my co director and I couldn't
figure out the location. We were hoping by viewing online, it
might trigger our memory. But we were unable to find the
location on the web.
We're not even sure if we were speeding at the time. There were
so many points during the journey where speed limits varied.
#Post#: 54781--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: January 23, 2025, 2:07 pm
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Well it's an average speed system, very reliable and not known
to produce incorrect speed readings. So someone was speeding at
that point of the journey.
The location is just after you leave the M6 at junction 15 and
head towards Stoke on the A500, easy to locate on a map.
Here is the starting point as seen on Google Streetview:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/JjduNYeTC9XGFDTW9
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/JjduNYeTC9XGFDTW9
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Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT A
DIR By: BertB
Date: January 24, 2025, 4:10 am
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--- Quote from: samosa link ---
>
> Not being familiar with the area, my co director and I
couldn't figure out the location. We were hoping by viewing
online, it might trigger our memory. But we were unable to find
the location on the web.
>
--- End Quote ---
There is more than enough info to find the location. It comes up
straight away in google maps.
Assuming your route north was M1, A50, M6. Basically it is the
A519 stretch between Stoke City's ground and the M6. The large
football stadium probably being the memorable part of the
location in question. Who was driving when you got to
Manchester? It would have been them.
Edit: From N/B I'm assuming it was on the way there. Of course
it was probably on the way back. But you'll know which from the
time of offence.
In which case, it will be the stretch between the M6 and Stoke
City's ground. Whoever was driving when you left Manchester, it
was them.
#Post#: 54857--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT A
DIR By: 666
Date: January 24, 2025, 4:24 am
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--- Quote from: BertB link ---
>
> [quote author=samosa link=topic=4815.msg54772#msg54772
date=1737660774]
> Not being familiar with the area, my co director and I
couldn't figure out the location. We were hoping by viewing
online, it might trigger our memory. But we were unable to find
the location on the web.
>
--- End Quote ---
There is more than enough info to find the location. It comes up
straight away in google maps.
Assuming your route north was M1, A50, M6. Basically it is the
A519 stretch between Stoke City's ground and the M6. The large
football stadium probably being the memorable part of the
location in question. Who was driving when you got to
Manchester? It would have been them.
Edit: From N/B I'm assuming it was on the way there. Of course
it was probably on the way back. But you'll know which from the
time of offence.
In which case, it will be the stretch between the M6 and Stoke
City's ground. Whoever was driving when you left Manchester, it
was them.
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The NIP location is A500, not A519.
#Post#: 54910--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN
THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
DIR By: BertB
Date: January 24, 2025, 7:39 am
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Yeah, should have wrote A500. However the location description
still stands. Unless they changed drivers between A519 and A50,
which is unlikely given they were caught by average speed check,
it doesn't matter for relevance of identifying the driver. The
point is, you can find the location easily enough and is
relatively memorable and at an early stage of the journey, so
likely to be the same driver that started the journey from MAN
to LDN.
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