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       #Post#: 54497--------------------------------------------------
       Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: cristinika
       Date: January 22, 2025, 7:31 am
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       London Borough of Lambeth
       Location: Upper Ground, Southbank
       The alleged contravention - code 52 M failing to comply with a
       prohibition …
       Date: 26 Dec 2024, Boxing day
       PCN: LJ31896415
       VRN EY24RXH
       Today 22 Jan I received this PCN dated 6 Jan 2025:
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       Coming from Blackfriars Bridge, turned left into Upper Ground
       looking for street parking, we had tickets to a show at the
       County Hall nearby. As I approached the National Theatre, I saw
       in front of me the “no motor vehicles” sign, junction with
       Cornwall Street; at that point I was presented the option to
       park in the super expensive National Theatre parking
       underground, to turn left and exit the area via Cornwall St into
       Waterloo or to turn back, I turned back the way I came, only to
       see the “no motor vehicles” in this direction too. As far as I
       am aware these are “temporary signs” according to
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       Is it possible the TMO was expired since it was temporary and
       the PCN is invalid?
       Please help. Are there any flaws with the PCN otherwise?
       The date of issue is 6 January 2025, but I received it today 22
       January. On the Lambeth website it shows the fee will increase
       on 3 Feb 2025.
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       Thanks so much!
       #Post#: 54574--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: January 22, 2025, 11:31 am
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       edit
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       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: cristinika
       Date: January 22, 2025, 12:04 pm
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       > edit
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       Edit? is there something I should be editing? sorry, I'm not
       sure what is meant with "edit"
       #Post#: 54588--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: January 22, 2025, 1:03 pm
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       --- Quote from: cristinika link ---
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       > [quote author=stamfordman link=topic=4791.msg54574#msg54574
       date=1737567110]
       > edit
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       Edit? is there something I should be editing? sorry, I'm not
       sure what is meant with "edit"
       [/quote]
       It means 'Stamfordman'posted something, but thought better of
       it, so edited-out his post.
       #Post#: 54811--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: January 23, 2025, 4:31 pm
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       Well you can work out whether the date of the increased price is
       correct or not.
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       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: cristinika
       Date: January 24, 2025, 4:28 am
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       --- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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       > Well you can work out whether the date of the increased price
       is correct or not.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It would be correct if the issue date was 20 Jan (which probably
       it is, since I received it on 22 Jan), but on the PCN the issue
       date is 6 Jan. This would mean I have 28 days instead of 14 days
       at discounted rate. Can I use this in my reps?
       #Post#: 54972--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: January 24, 2025, 3:32 pm
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       Please screenshot what the website says.
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       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: cristinika
       Date: January 25, 2025, 3:22 am
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       --- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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       > Please screenshot what the website says.
       >
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       I already added the screenshot in my original post, please see
       it again here
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       #Post#: 55039--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: Hippocrates
       Date: January 25, 2025, 7:31 am
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       @cristinika Thanks.  Date of PCN: 6th January. Deemed served 8th
       January. Therefore, price should increase on 22nd January.
       Have you kept the envelope as proof of service?
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       ETA Register of Appeals
       Register kept under Regulation 20 of the Road Traffic (Parking
       Adjudicators) (London) Regulations 1993, as amended and
       Regulation 17 of the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic
       Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England)
       Regulations 2022.
       Case Details
       Case reference 2240362722
       Appellant Ian Prideaux
       Authority London Borough of Lambeth
       VRM KY15HXG
       PCN Details
       PCN LJ2877492A
       Contravention date 15 Jun 2024
       Contravention time 18:27:00
       Contravention location Larkhall Rise
       Penalty amount GBP 130.00
       Contravention Fail comply prohibition on certain types vehicle
       Referral date -
       Decision Date 15 Oct 2024
       Adjudicator Edward Houghton
       Appeal decision Appeal allowed
       Direction
       cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
       Reasons
       The Appellant appeared in person and was represented by Mr
       Morgan. Having heard the Appeal I reserved my decision to give
       further consideration to the rather detailed procedural and
       technical issues raised. I directed the Appellant to produce a
       chronological summary which has proved to be of assistance.
       The Appellant has produced in evidence a copy of The Lambeth
       (Moving Traffic Restrictions) Order 2024 coming into force on
       the27th April 2024 which provides that “ all previous Orders are
       hereby revoked in their entirety.” This must include the 2023
       Order relied on by the Council. However it seems to me highly
       probable that the 2024 Order would re-enact the restriction
       based on the “map-based schedule” and that if the Appellant is
       to challenge order relied on by the Council on this basis the
       onus is on him to produce a complete, not a partial, copy of it.
       The main challenge lies on procedural grounds, In bare summary
       the Appellant submits that the Council’s website was giving
       incorrect and/or confusing information regarding payment dates,
       and that it was still showing a demand for payment after an
       appeal had been lodged. It seems to me that even if the
       Statutory notices are in themselves technically correct what is
       shown on the Council’s website should be in accordance with
       those notices; and that if it is not, it inevitably has the
       effect of undermining what is sted in the Notices. In the
       present case I see no reason to doubt the Appellant’s evidence,
       supported by screenshots, as to whet was shown on the website at
       various times These include a statement that “The amount
       outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £130.00 on
       Tue,16 Jul 2024. Please pay £65.00 now”. The correct date (the
       end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the PCN)
       is in fact the 17th July. There is a subsequent statement that
       “The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to
       £195.00 on Mon,5 Aug 2024. Please pay £65.00 now. The Rejection
       Notice is dated the 16th July and states correctly that the
       Appellant has 28 days from that date before a Charge certificate
       may be issued. The motorist is entitled to have clear and
       correct information from a Council as to what is required to be
       paid and when; and in my judgement these errors are serious
       enough for the Appeal to be allowed on the basis of a collateral
       challenge. In addition, I agree with the decision of my learned
       colleague Mr Greenslade in the case cited by the Appellant,
       2240178326 Maurice Fisher v London Borough of Hackney, in which
       he sted that “it is not open to the Enforcement Authority to
       seek any sum beyond the prescribed amount or any amount at all
       whilst an appellant is appealing to the Environment and Traffic
       Adjudicator.”
       The Appeal is therefore allowed.
       #Post#: 55076--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Lambeth London, 52 M failing to comply with a prohibition on
       certain types of vehicle - Upper Ground
   DIR By: cristinika
       Date: January 25, 2025, 10:33 am
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       --- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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       > [member=1960]cristinika[/member] Thanks.  Date of PCN: 6th
       January. Deemed served 8th January. Therefore, price should
       increase on 22nd January.
       >
       > Have you kept the envelope as proof of service?
       >
       >
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       >
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       Thank you! I kept the envelope, but there is no time stamp or
       any postal stamp on it.
       How shall I word the appeal? Is it worth asking for the TMO
       since the information found online indicates these were
       temporary traffic orders that would have expired by 26 December
       2024? I linked this temp TMO in my original post.
       Thanks so much!
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