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#Post#: 54472--------------------------------------------------
Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: Tdm
Date: January 22, 2025, 5:48 am
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Hope someone can offer some reliable advice.
1) Upon entering the car park at 19:07, the driver found a
space, parked up, and went to a family Fireworks Display without
genuinely being aware of any parking restrictions or charges in
the car park at that time of the evening.
2) The driver returned to car park at 20:55 and five days later
the registered keeper, received a Euro Car Parks PCN of £90
through the post to their great surprise!
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3) A family member advised the driver to simply ignore it which
they did!
4) A Euro Car Parks Final Notification letter was issued
05/12/24 which was also ignored!
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5) A Debt Recovery Plus Notice was issued 14/01/25 requesting a
£160 payment to close the case.
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6) At this stage the driver wishes they had paid the initial PCN
at a reduced cost of £50 if paid within 28 days rather than
listening to bad advice!
The driver is hoping that someone can offer them some reliable
advice on how to approach this matter from here with the final
payment date of 28/01/25 looming before further action and costs
are involved?
Thank you in advance.
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#Post#: 54535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: b789
Date: January 22, 2025, 9:38 am
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Please stop panicking! There's no Keeper liability in Northern
Ireland. There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify
the driver to an unregulated private parking company. ECP have
no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper blabs it to them,
inadvertently or otherwise.
You were absolutely correct to just ignore the NtK. Stop getting
your knickers in a twist about useless debt collector letters.
Ignore them. They are powerless to do anything because they are
not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver.
Use their letters as emergency toilet paper if you feel the
need.
Never, ever, EVER communicate with a useless and powerless debt
collector. They cannot do anything except try and get the
low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of
ignorance and fear. Just ignore them and please don't show us
their useless letters.
No one who receives an ECP PCN pays penny if they are here
receiving advice and following it. You will be no different and
you have the added advantage that you are in NI which means that
as the Keeper you cannot be liable for the charge. Only the
driver would be liable and you have not told them who that is
because you are not obliged to so so.
Just continue to ignore them. ECP cannot validly issue a claim
in an English court for a parking contravention in Northern
Ireland involving an NI resident. If they attempt to do so, the
claim is open to jurisdictional challenge, which would result in
its dismissal. They may be stupid, but they do not like wasting
too much of their money.
It would be prohibitively expensive and logistically challenging
for ECP to issue a court claim in NI. If they ever did, and
you'd be the first in recorded history, you can get help from
the Northern Ireland Consumer Council. They can provide advice
and assistance to residents, including matters related to
parking disputes. The Consumer Council for Northern Ireland is
an independent organisation that helps consumers resolve issues
and ensures their rights are protected.
A caveat though... just like the Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB)
here in England, they won't be as exert on private parking
matters as we are here. So, if you receive any advice that
conflicts with what I've told you, come back and tell us so that
we can make sure you don't make any stupid mistakes. As I said,
no one pays an ECP PCN if they follow our advice.
#Post#: 54582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: Tdm
Date: January 22, 2025, 12:24 pm
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Thank you B789 for your kind and informative reply, you have no
idea how my mind is at ease now knowing that I have very little
to be worried about!
Thanks again, will keep you informed of any further developments
👍
#Post#: 54653--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: BelfastBoy
Date: January 23, 2025, 4:32 am
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You haven't engaged with them, have you? If not, don't. The
notion that a parking firm based in London is going to instruct
solicitors in Northern Ireland to come after you in the local
small-claims court does not seem likely.
Also, in addition to the excellent advice set out in an earlier
post, debt collection letters in Northern Ireland are useless
because that's not how it works here. We don't have bailiffs and
we don't have debt collectors. We have the courts and the
Enforcement of Judgements Office. It is a much better regulated
and drawn-out system.
#Post#: 54707--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: Tdm
Date: January 23, 2025, 10:05 am
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Thank you Belfast Boy for your kind reply.
No I have not responded to any of the correspondence whatsoever!
Thanks again.
#Post#: 56276--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: Tdm
Date: February 2, 2025, 3:43 pm
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Update
Just received, please see attachment 2, 2015 Supreme Court
Ruling!
Does the driver still have nothing to worry about?
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#Post#: 56279--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 2, 2025, 3:55 pm
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--- Quote from: Tdm link ---
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> Does the driver still have nothing to worry about?
>
--- End Quote ---
Given that they're writing to the registered keeper, and have no
idea who the driver is, yes. ;)
--- Quote from: b789 link ---
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> There's no Keeper liability in Northern Ireland.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is still true. Continue to ignore.
--- Quote from: Tdm link ---
>
> Just received, please see attachment 2, 2015 Supreme Court
Ruling!
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Have you read the ruling they refer to? The fact that the
supreme court found that private parking charges are
commercially justifiable in some cases doesn't mean that you owe
any money in this case.
#Post#: 56327--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: b789
Date: February 3, 2025, 5:26 am
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Which bit of this earlier post was not quite understood?
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>
> Stop getting your knickers in a twist about useless debt
collector letters. Ignore them. They are powerless to do
anything because they are not a party to the contract allegedly
breached by the driver. Use their letters as emergency toilet
paper if you feel the need.
>
> Never, ever, EVER communicate with a useless and powerless
debt collector. They cannot do anything except try and get the
low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of
ignorance and fear. Just ignore them and please don't show us
their useless letters.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 56731--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro Car Parks PCN - KFC Northern Ireland - Overstay
DIR By: Tdm
Date: February 5, 2025, 8:09 am
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Thank you DWMB2 and B789 for taking the time to reply.
Points noted. :)
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