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Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: Numberuno
Date: January 21, 2025, 3:02 pm
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I'm not really familar with the area I got the ticket. I was
there as I was picking up a relative from the hospital, as they
went there with another relaitve but had to leave as they had an
early morning appointment.
When leaving the hosiptal I was attempting to follow my sat nav
and noticed that it was bearing/turning left ahead. Which is
when I drove past the no entry sign,which was a for buses only
lane. The left turn I needed to take was at the end of the bus
lane. I sort of glimsed the sign as I drove past it. I pressed
my brakes whilst past the sign and reversed back to check the
sign, saw the no entry sign and reversed back out and went on
the sort of roundabout to go past that no entry road and turn
left just after it.
This may not be excusable but thought I'll have a check on here
just in case or am I pretty much bang to rights and should just
pay the £65? I was tired as I was about to go bed when relative
phoned and asked if I could collect them,I was lost in the
hospital for abit trying to find them. also I was probably
slightly distracted by conversation with realtive as we just
left the hospital and I following sat nav at the same time,
which as I mentioned above I could see I was going to take the
next left and assumed where I was driving was a normal road,
until the sign registered with me a bit too late.
Thanks for any help or advice.
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: Numberuno
Date: January 21, 2025, 3:11 pm
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Sorry, here is a Google Maps link to the location and an image.
Looks like I copied the wrong image codes in the OP.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/sOfAkjQ.jpeg
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/3KFz65bWHUGYhUMx8
HTML https://imgur.com/sOfAkjQ
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 21, 2025, 5:03 pm
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A typical money-grubbing PCN that we see so often.
You clearly stopped having seen the sign, but the video doesn't
show you reversing back out, (naturally !!). In addition, the
restriction, (a single No Entry sign), is, in my view
inadequate, and should have been placed on the nearside to
emphasis its applicability. Two, one each side of the approach,
would have been better. Councils are under a duty in LATOR
Regulation 18 to place adequate signage to indicate a
restriction. Typical English regulation, because who decides
whether it is adequate or not ? The council who put up the
signs, of course !!
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
So your reps should contain two aspects, with recognition of the
restriction but too late to avoid passing the sign, and the
inadequacy of a single sign that lead you into the restriction.
Do be aware that the council, ever greedy for your money, will
refuse your representations, so you must be prepared to stand
your ground and take them to London Tribunals. Driving a few
yards past the sign then backing out is what I would consider a
de minimis contravention, and occured due to the inadequate
signage.
You have the absolute right in law to take them to London
Tribunals, but must accept that the full PCN penalty will be in
play. I think the odds are reasonable, but it's not a slam-dunk
win, I'm afraid.
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: Numberuno
Date: January 25, 2025, 5:55 am
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Thanks for the advice, it seems as though there's a 50/50
chance, or maybe slightly better. I looked at a few of the
reviews for the tribunial and they don't look promising. I
think I might just pay this one as if I lose it will be the full
amount, plus likely taking time of work to attend.
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 25, 2025, 7:47 am
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--- Quote from: Numberuno link ---
>
> Thanks for the advice, it seems as though there's a 50/50
chance, or maybe slightly better. I looked at a few of the
reviews for the tribunial and they don't look promising. I
think I might just pay this one as if I lose it will be the full
amount, plus likely taking time of work to attend.
>
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My bad. Apologies for PM!
Main issues:
1. No evidence of sign passed and inadequate.
2. Can this be used with a Bus Only legend?
3. Website does not contain grounds as far as I can see. Cases
won on this very recently by cp8759 and myself.
I would certainly make a representation.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: Numberuno
Date: January 26, 2025, 11:50 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> [quote author=Numberuno link=topic=4780.msg55015#msg55015
date=1737806142]
> Thanks for the advice, it seems as though there's a 50/50
chance, or maybe slightly better. I looked at a few of the
reviews for the tribunial and they don't look promising. I
think I might just pay this one as if I lose it will be the full
amount, plus likely taking time of work to attend.
>
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My bad. Apologies for PM!
Main issues:
1. No evidence of sign passed and inadequate.
2. Can this be used with a Bus Only legend?
3. Website does not contain grounds as far as I can see. Cases
won on this very recently by cp8759 and myself.
I would certainly make a representation.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917
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No problem. Thanks for your replies, I have not made payment
yet. I agree that there should be a sign on the left side of the
road as that is where you usually expect them.
1. With regard to number 1 it looks like I have driven past or
at minimum level with the "no entry" sign on the right hand
side, in the pictures and in the video.
2. Hopefully someone knows the answer to this.
3. On this point, are you talking about the PCN page? on there
it has "Contravention 51j Failing to comply with a no entry
restriction.
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 27, 2025, 5:55 am
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The website issue is for later. I trust you understand my points
about them having to prove the signage which IMO is inadequate
any way. I can draft something later.
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Re: Waltham Forest, code 51J Failing to comply with no entry
restriction, Phyppe Way / Whipps Cross Road E11 (A) (cctv)
DIR By: Kojo86
Date: November 21, 2025, 8:50 am
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Hi Hippocrates,
Apologies for jumping on this post, but the exact thing happened
to my mother picking up my father from the hospital.
Could I possibly see what you drafted for this?
Many thanks.
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