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#Post#: 54272--------------------------------------------------
PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: Daisyalf
Date: January 20, 2025, 4:12 pm
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We have driven an Electric Car for over 2 years, 99% of charging
bays are in car parks, I have never been asked to pay a parking
charge.
Four weeks ago we were charging our EV in a BP Pulse charging
station in a hotel car park....
I have been sent a PCN for £100...
I have no idea why I should have to pay to charge my electric
car in an EV charging spot
How can I deal with this please....
Debs
#Post#: 54274--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: RichardW
Date: January 20, 2025, 4:17 pm
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Read the 'Read this First' sticky above, and then post up the
required info....
#Post#: 54281--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 20, 2025, 4:34 pm
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Welcome to FTLA.
To help us provide the best advice, please read the following
thread carefully and provide as much of the information it asks
for as you are able to: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking
Charges Forum guide
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
As an aside, we're seeing increasing numbers of cases relating
to PCNs issued relating to EV cars using chargers. It would be
wise to instruct all drivers with access to your vehicle to make
sure they look carefully at the terms and conditions within any
car parks they find chargers, in addition to any terms and
conditions associated with the chargers themselves.
#Post#: 54294--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: b789
Date: January 20, 2025, 6:36 pm
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I’ve owned an EV for almost 5 years and whilst most of my
charging is done at home, I learnt early on that you must not
take for granted that simply using a charger in a private car
park comes without strings attached.
Have you approached the hotel where you charged to see if they
can help get the PCN cancelled? What do the signs at the charger
and also other signs in the car park say?
Show us the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received so that we can
see the allegation and whether there are any technicalities that
you can use to appeal or defend against it.
#Post#: 54310--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: sx4
Date: January 21, 2025, 5:12 am
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In some car parks parking and charging are classed as two
separate things.
So you pay for use of the parking bay and then secondly pay for
electric to charge your car . This doesn’t happen in a lot of
car parks as most especially councils class charging as payment
for parking as well.
As others have said you will have to check the terms and
conditions board in car park to see if charging entitles parking
for free or you have to also pay for parking as well as
charging.
#Post#: 54916--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: Daisyalf
Date: January 24, 2025, 8:08 am
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Here's some more information
My Hubby and I are both pensioners, we live on an island in the
Hebrides and fortunately never have to pay for parking.
We were in Glasgow and wanted to see if the BP Pulse charger
would charge our car, as it hadn't done the previous year, we
had not been issued with any PCN on our previous visit to this
car park.
It was Hilton Garden City Hotel in Glasgow.
We drive a Motability EV ,and my husband is a blue badge holder
it was a very dark stormy late afternoon in Glasgow in December.
My Hubby's disability means he is unable to read or write
anything, and I myself at the moment am on crutches after
surgery we didn't see any signage about needing to pay....
I have appealed this PCN and they have turned down the
appeal....
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#Post#: 54921--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: RichardW
Date: January 24, 2025, 8:44 am
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Ah, it's in Scotland. You can (probably) file it in the ignore
bin. You've only posted the back of the PCN. What did you say in
your appeal? Did you disclose the driver? Even if you did, it's
very unlikely they will take it to court as it's not cost
effective for a single ticket in Scotland.
#Post#: 54934--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: b789
Date: January 24, 2025, 9:48 am
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Did you reveal the identity of the driver in your appeal? For
example, "I did this or that" instead of referring to the driver
in the third person: "The driver did this or that"?
As mentioned above, in Scotland there is no Keeper liability
(for now). Only the driver can be liable for the charge and the
parking operator has no idea of the drivers identity unless the
Keeper reveals it, inadvertently or otherwise.
Whilst it is highly unlikely that UK CPM would ever try to make
a clam in the Scottish courts under the Simple Procedure, you
cannot rule it out 100%. The reason they would not make a claim
in Scotland against the driver (assuming they know that the
Keeper was also the driver) is because there is no money on it
for them even if they were successful. It would cost them more
to issue and contest a claim than they could ever hope to
recover.
The only reason they still persist in chasing you is because
they hope you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree that
will pay up out of ignorance and fear. As long as you are here
receiving advice, you are therefore no longer low-hanging fruit.
If you can, please show us exactly what you put in your appeal.
You can safely ignore any debt collector letters they send you
(and they will). Debt collector are powerless to do anything
except to try and scare the gullible into paying up. The debt
collectors are not a party t the contract allegedly breached by
the driver. You can safely use their letters as kindling. Ignore
them. Never, ever, ever communicate with a useless debt
collector.
In all likelyhood, if you just ignore everything you receive
about this, 99.9% for sure, nothing will come of it and
eventually they will give up.
#Post#: 56775--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN issued for my EV while we were parked in an EV charging
bay....
DIR By: Daisyalf
Date: February 5, 2025, 11:31 am
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I have since also contacted the Hilton Garden Inn Hotel in
Glasgow and I have an email from them saying they will cancel
the CPM, that was last week and it is still showing as live on
the CPM website....
Yes I'm so sorry I did agree that I was the driver when I made
the appeals....
I hand wrote my appeal.... I will try and add it to my post, but
you may need a long drink and a sleeping bag as it's not very
concise.....
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