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New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: Rlcjael
Date: January 18, 2025, 12:13 pm
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Hi, my son has received 2 FPN’s for speeding on the motorway
(64 and 69 in temporary 50 zone). Both offences on the same
date; one driving one way, the second driving back. They were
within an hour of each other.
He doesn’t have a defence. He set his speed to 70 and didn’t
take account/reduce it.
My question is whether it is worth asking to go to court to
plead mitigating circumstances?
He is disabled and was agoraphobic prior to passing his test
(due to being seriously assaulted). He is autistic and can’t
use public transport as he is so scared (the assault was linked
to a bus journey). He managed to come off antidepressants and
was finally enjoying life with the independence that driving
gave him however if he receives 6 points, his licence will be
revoked and I’ll be back on suicide watch.
He also helps me as I have Lupus and now have to have monthly
immunotherapy which he takes me to and from (not at a local
hospital).
Finally, his little brother is also disabled and he helps take
and pick him up from school (as I work full time). His brother
is selective mute and won’t use a bus.
The final thing to mention is that the NIP was received 17 days
after the offence date albeit it was probably delayed due to the
Christmas post.
Just wondering if it would be worth asking the court to
consider;
A) treating the 2 offences as one
B) raising the issue with the service of the NIP
C) asking the court to impose a short ban instead of points (to
avoid revocation of licence)
Or is this a lost cause?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
#Post#: 53965--------------------------------------------------
Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: 666
Date: January 18, 2025, 12:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Rlcjael link ---
>
> Hi, my son has received 2 FPN’s for speeding on the motorway
(64 and 69 in temporary 50 zone).
>
> The final thing to mention is that the NIP was received 17
days after the offence date albeit it was probably delayed due
to the Christmas post.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
So what has he really received?
Two NIPs? Or two NIPs to which he has responded and now has two
COFPs (not FPNs)? Or what?
As for the 17 days, is he the registered keeper? I.e. does he
have the V5C (logbook), and are the details correct?
#Post#: 53967--------------------------------------------------
Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: Rlcjael
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:02 pm
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He received 2 NIPS followed by 2 FPN’s.
He is registered keeper so shouldn’t have been any delay there.
The NIPs were dated 11/12/24 but not received until 17/12/24 so
believe this will be a postal issue.
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Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: Rlcjael
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:04 pm
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Apologies, he has 2 conditional offers (3 points and £100 fine
for each)
#Post#: 53969--------------------------------------------------
Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:04 pm
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To briefly answer your questions:
A) is a non-starter.
B) is a possibility (the Christmas post does not amend the duty
on the police to serve the NIP within 14 days).
C) will almost certainly fail. There is no reason for the court
to do this other than to avoid his licence being revoked and
they are unlikely to do it.
A speed of 64 in a 50 limit will usually see the offer of a
course. Has he done one previously?
When did he pass his test and what was the date of these
offences?
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Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: Rlcjael
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:06 pm
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So sorry, NIPs were received on 27/12/24 not 17th (typing on
phone)
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Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: Rlcjael
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:09 pm
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He passed in Aug 24 and has no other convictions or driving
offences.
We asked if they would consider a course when returning the NIPs
but they declined.
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Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: Rlcjael
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:11 pm
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The offences were both 07/12/24
#Post#: 53973--------------------------------------------------
Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:24 pm
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If his licence is so important to your son, perhaps he could
post here himself with an accurate version of events?
So far, you have repeatedly told us that he has received FPNs,
that the NIP was received 17 days after the date of the offence,
and that they were received 20 days after the date of offence.
And took 6 posts and a great deal of tooth pulling to do so.
#Post#: 53977--------------------------------------------------
Re: New driver - 2 FPN’s on same journey
DIR By: Rlcjael
Date: January 18, 2025, 1:37 pm
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I’m really sorry that I typed the numbers incorrectly, I am
using my phone at the moment and the keypad is not great.
As for him typing it himself, he wouldn’t be able to sadly. I’m
not going to go into his disabilities but I can assure you that
his licence is very important to him.
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
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