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TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue arrow
DIR By: iispartan
Date: January 17, 2025, 3:04 pm
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Hi all,
I got this through the post today from TfL on contravention code
32d failing to drive in the direction shown by the arrow on blue
sign (proceeding in the wrong direction). This was in Camden
Parkway and I’ve seen a few cars make this turn but clearly
there’s a camera now.
Is there a potential argument to make here (either technical) or
on the grounds that signage is not clear? Next steps to request
the footage?
Link to the GSV here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/YuUzYKFoZDiavN32A
Link to the PCN and the screenshot of GSV where red arrow marks
where I’ve turned.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/eUfuLkW
Appreciate the help
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Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
arrow
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 17, 2025, 4:57 pm
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This earlier GSV view shows the signal heads uncovered.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/8ujuushgQUt3Mqhy9
You can see that there is not just the Arrow on Blue Sign, but
the green phase shows a green ahead arrow rather than just a
green display. Of course it's a nice little earner for them, but
at the moment I see no credible reps against the contravention
itself.
However, this doesn't mean game-over until we've explored
whether a "technical" appeal possibly exists. These can, and do,
win despite the contravention being made out. This is because
Transport for London, (and also councils), just like you, have
to obey the law when enforcing using civil powers granted by
Parliament. Of course, there may not be such an appeal, but
advice is to wait a bit to see what others may say. Don't miss
the payment/appeal deadline on the PCN by waiting and waiting !!
This is a TfL PCN so there may well be a technical appeal if
previous experience is a guide. Only caveat is that you may well
have to take them to London Tribunals for a win.
#Post#: 54850--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
arrow
DIR By: iispartan
Date: January 24, 2025, 2:57 am
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Okay thanks, given no one else has commented I’ll appeal just to
extend the deadline and see if in the meantime anyone else has
any thoughts
#Post#: 64341--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
arrow
DIR By: iispartan
Date: March 27, 2025, 2:36 am
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Hi all, need some help. I logged on to TFL to check status as I
haven’t heard anything from my appeal and to my surprise it
appears that a CC has been issued.
I’ve not received any correspondence to inform me my appeal was
rejected. No letter or email. My RK details are up to date so
wouldn’t have been sent to another address. Please can someone
advise as outstanding amount has gone to £240! Attached is what
I see on website
[attachment deleted by admin]
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Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
arrow
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 27, 2025, 2:47 am
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Next stage if you don't pay the CC is TfL register the debt at
the Traffic Enforcement Centre, and send you an Order for
Recovery. They will also include the form to submit a Statutory
Declaration to TEC.
So don't pay the CC, but wait for the OfR. As you seem to have
missed receiving the rejection letter, it will be best, after
the CC payment has expired, to contact TEC every 7-10 days to
see if the debt has been registered. You can then submit an SD
using the form you can download from the TEC website.
Alternatively, you can look on the TfL website to see when they
have registered the debt. Tick the box on the form for
"submitted reps but didn't receive a letter of rejection" No
need to put anything in the 'reasons' box.
On the actual form, remember that TfL are the Applicant, not
you; you are the Respondent.
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Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
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DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 27, 2025, 2:49 am
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See also
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/
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Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
arrow
DIR By: iispartan
Date: March 27, 2025, 3:05 am
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Thanks, when will the CC expire? According to the website, it
was issued on the 12th March. When should I start calling TEC to
see if debt registered?
Would this also impact my credit score? I’m in the process of
getting a mortgage so slightly worried of this having an impact.
Thanks
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Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
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DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 27, 2025, 4:04 am
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There is no impact on credit scores and no possibility
whatsoever of a CCJ. The process was written to make sure this
side of civil law was cut out.
#Post#: 67282--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
arrow
DIR By: iispartan
Date: April 15, 2025, 3:28 pm
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Hi,
I have been checking with TEC and the debt was registered on
Friday 11th April. However before I could send out the form I
had received the Order for Recover through the post with the PE3
form attached. Based on advice on the link posted previously, I
should sign the one that was posted to me.
With regard to getting it sworn, I will reach out to County
Court to get it signed and then will scan (take a picture) and
send it to the TEC mailbox.
What are the steps after this?
#Post#: 68925--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL 32D - failing to drive in the direction shown by blue
arrow
DIR By: iispartan
Date: April 27, 2025, 1:34 pm
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Just to update the group, have sent the from (signed and
witnessed) last week. Got email from TEC confirming receipt. How
long will I can hear back?
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