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Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in restricted
street
DIR By: Aubama
Date: January 17, 2025, 7:46 am
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Hi there,
I'd like advise on a pcn issued to my dad for alleged
contravention 01: Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours.
My dad wanted to purchase some goods from the local shop 'Expo
International'. My dad is a 74 year old man with a shoulder
replacement and the goods he wanted to buy are quite heavy. His
car was stationary outside the shop, from here my dad told the
shop worker what he wanted and they loaded his car for him. As
they were loading my dad saw the traffic warden and explained
that because of his shoulder replacement and lack of mobility he
couldn't park far away to get the good needed. The traffic
warden appeared to understand and also agreed that my dad could
quickly pop into the shop and pay for the good loaded into his
car.
Whilst my dad was inside the shop paying the traffic warden
gave him a ticket and set off.
I have attached evidence which is below and here is a gsv of the
location:
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Please can I have advise on successfully appealing this pcn.
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Thanks
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Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: SITR
Date: January 17, 2025, 8:17 am
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Loading is permitted until 16:30 according to the signage...it's
the leaving the vehicle to go inside & pay that is the
technicality at issue. Definitely worth appealing & as you've
passed the reduced fee period, worth trying your luck at
tribunal if the appeal is rejected.
#Post#: 53810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 17, 2025, 8:23 am
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If the goods were preordered the loading exemption would be
solid but if not wording in the right way referencing infirmity
and the CEO interaction will hopefully see this cancelled.
#Post#: 53861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 17, 2025, 1:54 pm
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At the Notice to Owner stage the discount option is lost, so you
should now submit representation on the same lines as before.
When they reject, (as they inevitably will !), they may reoffer
the discount at which point your father must consider the two
options, (1) pay the discounted amount or (2) register an appeal
at London Tribunals.
On the other hand if they do not re-offer the discount, it then
becomes a total no-brainer to register an appeal at London
Tribunals, because the penalty remains the same and there are no
additional costs. If you lose the penalty is the existing PCN
penalty, and if you win, you pay nothing.
#Post#: 60080--------------------------------------------------
Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: Aubama
Date: March 1, 2025, 6:18 am
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Hi there, I have had a rejection letter from the council.
Please advise what I can do next, I want to challenge this all
the way
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Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 1, 2025, 7:32 am
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Well, their letter is complete and utter tosh about loading has
to be continuous etc. Loading activity includes all the
activities necessary to load goods into a vehicle, including
going to collect those goods. Do they expect you to leave the
vehicle open and unlocked whilst doing so. What nonsense !
Anyway, with no re-offer of the discount, it is now a complete
no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals, as there are no
additional costs, and the penalty remains the same as it is now.
#Post#: 60126--------------------------------------------------
Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 1, 2025, 12:47 pm
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Was there an initial challenge to the PCN?
You didn't post your the reps to the NTO - what are they?
The CEO notes about two different (sic) men claiming ownership
etc - what is that about.
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Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: Aubama
Date: March 4, 2025, 5:01 am
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I have a copy of the rejected appeal here below, I do want to
fight this all the way so please help!!
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally appeal against the PCN GR14115800,
which was issued to my vehicle, registration number E072XLU, on
09/12/2024 at 16:21 at Plumstead High Street for the alleged
parking contravention Code 01 - "Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours."
The vehicle in question was stationary outside the shop ‘Expo
International’ while I, a 74-year-old man with a shoulder
replacement and limited mobility, purchased heavy goods. Due to
my condition, parking further away would have been extremely
difficult. I would like to explain the circumstances in detail:
Exceptional Circumstances
I remained by the vehicle and directed the shop staff to load
the goods into the car. When a Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO)
approached, I explained my situation, including my physical
limitations and why I had to park nearby. The CEO appeared to
understand and verbally agreed that I could quickly step into
the shop to pay for the goods.
Unfair Issuance of the Penalty
Despite this understanding, the CEO issued the penalty charge
while I was inside the shop paying for the goods, which took
only a few moments. This was an unavoidable action due to the
nature of the purchase and my physical condition. Given the
circumstances, I believe the issuance of this penalty is unfair.
Supporting Evidence
To substantiate this appeal, I am providing the following:
A copy of a doctor’s letter or medical evidence verifying my
limited mobility due a shoulder replacement.
A receipt from the shop confirming the purchase and the time of
the transaction.
I kindly ask you to consider these mitigating circumstances and
cancel the penalty charge. My condition and the need to park
briefly outside the shop to facilitate the purchase of heavy
goods justify an exemption from this penalty.
Thank you for your time and understanding. I look forward to
hearing from you regarding the outcome of this appeal.
Yours faithfully,
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Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 4, 2025, 6:18 am
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Your circumstances are not mitigation, because you were
undertaking loading, an exempt activity to the yellow line.
So you now need to register an appeal against the PCN on the
basis the contravention did not occur, reason loading.
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Re: Plumstead High street, Contravention: 01 - Parked in
restricted street
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 4, 2025, 6:39 am
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OP, pl look at your timeline and comments because something's
not correct.
Receipt timed at 16.01;
PCN(which we've yet to see) giving time of contravention as
16.21
Council letter which states that the CEO observed for 2 minutes
before issuing PCN, which brings the obs to 16.19.
You say you went back inside to pay after seeing the CEO i.e.
after 16.19, but the receipt was issued 10 minutes beforehand.
Whereas there's nothing in evidence(except your own statements)
regarding the period 16.09 - 16.19 it's therefore perfectly
plausible that the purchase was made on foot so to speak and
then the car was brought round to the shop for loading. But
given your account here and in your reps you've rather
undermined this approach.
Pl rethink the sequence in the light of the objective evidence.
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