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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: January 20, 2025, 12:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> Also, does the TPT allow face to face hearings?
>
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No, they would only arrange this by exception if for some good
reason a video hearing couldn't take place. An elderly granny
who only has a landline and wants to explain that her disabled
badge was displayed and the CEO took the pictures at a
convenient angle would certainly get one, I don't think any
professional rep would.
I know that in-person hearings will carry on but will be on
request only as the new hearing centre will be much smaller and
only have a fraction of the space. Remote hearings are very
convenient, I did some from France over the Christmas break.
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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: nigelbb
Date: January 21, 2025, 5:37 am
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> I also like visiting tribunal but it does take a fair chunk
out of my day.
>
> I'm planning to spend more time abroad, probably all of April,
and I could still do video meetings from abroad so they are
useful.
>
>
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Is that legal? I was told that I couldn't give evidence to an
inquest via video link from abroad as I would have to be
physically in the UK.
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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: January 21, 2025, 9:35 am
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--- Quote from: nigelbb link ---
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> Is that legal? I was told that I couldn't give evidence to an
inquest via video link from abroad as I would have to be
physically in the UK.
>
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What law says you can't? It's quite common for witnesses and
advocates to address UK courts from abroad, it happens literally
all the time.
It would be illegal for a judge or adjudicator to conduct the
hearing abroad as that would be an infringement of the foreign
country's sovereignty, as a judicial office holder is exercising
the sovereign power of the state, but an advocate is just a
private citizen.
#Post#: 54350--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: January 21, 2025, 9:37 am
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I did two hearings by phone in Bordeaux in early January. The
adjudicator and I had a quick chat about wine so he definitely
knew where I was.
#Post#: 54372--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: January 21, 2025, 12:41 pm
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As far as witnesses are concerned, they should not give evidence
from abroad unless Practice Direction 32 has been complied with.
The relevant part of that reads:
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> It should not be presumed that all foreign governments are
willing to allow their nationals or others within their
jurisdiction to be examined before a court in England or Wales
by means of VCF. If there is any doubt about this, enquiries
should be directed to the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (Public Facing Services, Taking of Evidence Team)
TOE.Enquiries@fcdo.gov.uk with a view to ensuring that the
country from which the evidence is to be taken raises no
objection to it at diplomatic level. The party who is directed
to be responsible for arranging the VCF (see paragraph 8 below)
will be required to make all necessary inquiries about this well
in advance of the VCF and must be able to inform the court what
those inquiries were and of their outcome.
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As will be obvious from the above, there may be legal
implications for the witness (I understand that in some
countries it is an offence to give evidence to a foreign court
from that country) and diplomatic implications for the UK (for
offending the sovereignty of that other nation).
I appreciate that PD32 doesn’t apply in the tribunal but the
underlying issues are the same.
The same doesn’t seem to hold true for representatives, as long
as they’re not giving evidence.
#Post#: 54380--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 21, 2025, 1:46 pm
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Well, having spoken with a senior receptionist, they are as
clear as mud as to what will happen, where and when....I will
try again tomorrow and ask an adjudicator.
#Post#: 54413--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: January 21, 2025, 4:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Southpaw82 link ---
>
> The same doesn’t seem to hold true for representatives, as
long as they’re not giving evidence.
>
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I think the tribunal makes allowances where the representative
is the uncle / neighbour / spouse etc, but I think it would be
at the very least heavily frowned upon if one of us regulars
gave evidence about the merits of case in which we are acting.
#Post#: 54647--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 23, 2025, 3:56 am
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Finally found the information.
#Post#: 54902--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 24, 2025, 6:58 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> Finally found the information.
>
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One adjudicator told me, if I remember correctly, that from the
second week in February parking cases will be heard by video.
Also, the following reasons for having a person to person would
not be valid:
1. Alleviation of depression by leaving the house.
2. Occasional departures from the house to cure agoraphobia.
3. Unable to afford the make up for the video call.
4. Unable to share by video a drink with mrmustard.
:'(
#Post#: 54951--------------------------------------------------
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by
video
DIR By: mickR
Date: January 24, 2025, 11:09 am
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were you disappointed at No 3 mr Hippo ? ;D
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