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City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show (32
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DIR By: traz
Date: January 16, 2025, 4:25 pm
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Received a PCN from Westminster for failing to drive in the
direction shown by the arrow on a blue sign. I got into a little
altercation with who seemed like the caretaker for a residential
building on the street just before the signal who was arguing
that I couldn't stop there. I didn't realise there was a forward
sign on the traffic light.
Not much of an excuse but those are the events that took place
that day.
Are there any grounds on which I can make an appeal?
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 17, 2025, 5:58 am
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So you turned left against a straight ahead arrow? The sign
isn't shown from that view and maybe some cases on tribunal that
could help.
I seem to recall a case on the old forum here.
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: traz
Date: January 22, 2025, 2:18 pm
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That's right I tuned left against a straight ahead arrow. Yes
the sign isn't visible in the clip.
How would I find those cases that could help? Anything I could
search on the forum?
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 22, 2025, 5:38 pm
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The problem you've got is that if your main point in the appeal
is that the video doesn't show the sign, (like a helluva lot of
other videos we see), the council can present photos of the sign
in their evidence pack. In addition, the adjudicator can look at
GSV same as us and see the sign. OK, the GSV view is for a
particular month and year, but the civil law test of "on the
balance of probabilities" applies, NOT "beyond all reasonable
doubt, (the criminal law test).
The above will only be tested at London Tribunals as the council
will just refuse your reps.
So my view is you need to find something else.
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: traz
Date: April 23, 2025, 5:59 am
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I made an appeal to Westminster council. They did not send a
notice of rejection. Instead they issued me with a charge
certificate (linked below). I then received 2 letters from
Marston Recovery (linked below). Am I correct in understanding
that I need to fill out a PE3 form and send it to TEC?
Also in the TEC form where it asks for the applicant, that would
be City of Westminster not myself, right?
This is so strange because this is the second time this has
happened to me. Previously TFL did this so I filled out a PE3
form and now Westminster council.
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 23, 2025, 7:59 am
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There's only one letter from Marston you've posted and it's out
of order as it's a pre debt registration letter.
What else is there?
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: traz
Date: April 23, 2025, 11:54 am
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I received two letters from marston recovery. These letters came
with a two day gap.
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: April 23, 2025, 12:03 pm
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So you've had two of these - this is outrageous. I really don't
think Westminster has any authority to hound people at charge
certificate stage with a bailiff.
Call the Traffic Enforcement Centre tomorrow and see if the debt
has been registered against the PCN. Not getting a rejection
gives you an automatic referral to the tribunal - did you make
reps as per their instructions?
Have they got the right name and address.
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: traz
Date: April 23, 2025, 1:15 pm
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Okay, thank you I will call Traffic Enforcement Centre tomorrow.
Yes I made representation - how good I don't know but I still
made representation.
The names and address is right on all the letters.
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Re: City of Westminster - failing to drive in the direction show
(32 d)
DIR By: traz
Date: April 24, 2025, 4:57 am
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I called the TEC and they said it is currently not registered
with them.
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