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#Post#: 188--------------------------------------------------
PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: Driver86
Date: June 18, 2023, 2:05 pm
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Summary:
Diverted into North bound Old St with sign saying follow route
no CC etc. As I approached a junction with Bath St, I saw no
further signage so thought it best to take Bath St which will
take me to City road out of CC Zone where I can continue my
journey.
But I got a PCN at Bath St.
Appeal turned down as they waffled on about me not paying CC,
and the diversion route all clearly signed etc. I have now
appealed at London tribunals.
Original thread here
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=149612&hl=
To my horror they don't accept appeals for tfl PCN online! So I
have written them an explanation with appeal and sent it
recorded next day, called tfl the morning after to notify them I
am taking it to adjudication and called London tribunals who
confirmed they've registered the case with a postal hearing
sometime around 14th July.
#Post#: 194--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 18, 2023, 7:25 pm
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You want to get that changed to a telephone hearing ASAP, postal
hearings are really to be avoided. Just call the tribunal call
centre and they'll change it with no fuss.
#Post#: 456--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: Appealnow2023
Date: June 25, 2023, 5:31 am
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Yes definitely change it to a personal telephone hearing. If
they insist that you email them use this template to email
LT.Reception@londontribunals.gov.uk
Subject: I would like the above Case Reference: xxxxxxx
([appellant's name] -v- [Council name] to be heard as a
telephone hearing on [Date]at [Time]. My contact telephone
number is: [Your contact number]
Good morning/afternoon.
I would like the above Case Reference: xxxxxxx ([appellant's
name] -v- [Council name] to be heard as a telephone hearing on
[Date]at [Time]. My contact telephone number is: [Your contact
number]
Yours sincerely
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TFL pay an extra fee (£4 I believe) not to use the use the
tribunal portal. That is no compensation for the motorist who
has to deal with everything by post!
When you receive the TFL evidence you can submit your evidence
by email to queries@londontribunals.org.uk quoting the case
number and parties.
#Post#: 742--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: Driver86
Date: July 2, 2023, 5:29 pm
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Thank you, yes I'll get this switched to a telephone hearing. I
have TFL's evidence pack, most of it is just talking about the
process they follow and their notice of rejection stating I
should have followed signs to Goswell Road.
I've linked a piece of evidence they have sent me. What they
sent wasn't clear, but there are 2 images of maps on there -
looks like the planning/traffic order. The top image of the
initial/main diversion sign and the bottom image appears to show
where the diversion route signage "should" have been in place.
HTML https://ibb.co/C6TGLXv
My thoughts are the folowing:
1. Is this all they will need to rely on to convince the
adjudicator?
2. or because this is only a diagram/planning/traffic order,
adjudicator would need an actual photo or video from them of my
car passing this signage?
I find it criminal that they are even pursuing this!
Thank you in advance.
#Post#: 743--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 2, 2023, 5:32 pm
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Would you like me to represent you at the tribunal hearing?
#Post#: 744--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: Driver86
Date: July 2, 2023, 5:48 pm
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Thanks very much for offering. I would like to do this myself if
possible, are there any advice you can give for me to follow at
the telephone hearing?
The vehicle is registered to my dad, so assuming I would need to
get a consent to represent done by him?
#Post#: 745--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: roythebus
Date: July 2, 2023, 5:56 pm
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I'd strongly suggest if you want a good chance of winning that
you take up CP's offer to represent you. He seems to win most
cases he challenges.
#Post#: 746--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 2, 2023, 6:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Driver86 link ---
>
> Thanks very much for offering. I would like to do this myself
if possible, are there any advice you can give for me to follow
at the telephone hearing?
>
--- End Quote ---
If you call the tribunal they can send you a form your dad can
fill in to authorise you to act on his behalf.
I can't really tell you how to be an advocate, it takes years to
learn and I can't really construct an oral argument that I'm not
going to argue myself. You have the key points, and all I can do
is wish you the best of luck.
#Post#: 753--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: Driver86
Date: July 3, 2023, 5:49 am
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Thanks for letting me know. I have been thinking about this and
wether I would be able to respond properly or know the range of
legislations governing traffic orders, plus the previous cases
and so would like to take you up on this offer!
What do you need from me?
#Post#: 790--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN after forced into CC Zone at Old St
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 3, 2023, 4:32 pm
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I'll drop you a PM.
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