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#Post#: 53559--------------------------------------------------
CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: msrr204
Date: January 15, 2025, 8:20 pm
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This is my first post guys so please bare with me:
Context:
The driver was coming back home and due to not finding any space
in their normal parking, the driver took an immediate right turn
to park due to finding empty space where there is no sign until
much further up where it says private land and that you need to
has a permit displayed etc.
- Where the car was parked it was besides a curb where there is
absolutely 0 road markings indicating that this this a private
bay and should not be a place where it was parked. Nor was there
any single yellow lines or anything else. The driver returned
the next day to move the car and since there was no sticker left
on the car it was assumed that the area parked was fine and that
they could park there again the next day.
- Ultimately the car was left there a couple of days and was
never parked there again. A couple weeks passed by and the
driver received 3 letters in the post indicating that they left
the car in an area that they should not have (CPM) and that they
are liable to pay. The driver went away for a a couple weeks on
holiday and so the appeal period has passed and the letter from
the Debt Collector Company (Debt Recovery Plus) has sent 3
letters to my address saying that since I am the registered
keeper of the car I am liable to pay £170 for each charge (£510
total).
This is the first notice of these letter that has appeared. The
driver believes that 3 charges to be massively unfair especially
since the awareness of the charge is only made available once
the letter was sent home. The driver expressed concerns that
imagine they left it there for an entire week then they would
have racked up charges until the letter arrived.
Since the appeal process is over and the first letter of debt
recovery has arrived what can I do regarding this matter. I will
attach the front of all the letters I have received regarding
the letter received from CPM for the PCN.
I would really appreciate any advice as the letter from the debt
company want the payment settled by 17/01/2025
I have attached a link of all notices. I would really appreciate
any help or support regarding this:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/HQ1I7CP
HTML https://imgur.com/a/HQ1I7CP
#Post#: 53574--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: b789
Date: January 16, 2025, 3:07 am
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Criminal.. isn't it? However, stop fretting. You can safely
ignore the debt collector letters. They are powerless to do
anything except to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the
gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear.
The debt collectors are not a party to the contract allegedly
breached by the driver. Ignore them. Use their letters a
kindling or to line the bottom of a litter tray. Never, ever,
communicate with a useless, powerless debt collector.
You will not have to wait and see if/when they issue a Letter of
Claim (LoC) which you should show us. They will in due course
issue a claim which you must respond to and we will provide a
suitable defence. These claims are easily defended and in 99% of
cases, they discontinue. The very few that ever get was far as a
hearing are either stuck out or won.
Come back if/when you receive an LoC.
#Post#: 53575--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: msrr204
Date: January 16, 2025, 3:45 am
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Thank you so much for the reply. It is my first time and they
send three letters to my address each with a charge of £170. I
assume that I would not need to send any updates if I get
another letter from the Debt Collector agency and should only
update once I receive the LoC from court?
Sorry not too knowledgeable around this so really appreciate all
the help!
#Post#: 53576--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: b789
Date: January 16, 2025, 3:58 am
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Correct. We only need to know about each PCN.
#Post#: 56355--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: msrr204
Date: February 3, 2025, 7:31 am
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Hi guys just wanted to post an update regarding this matter. So
I have received a final reminder from the Debt company and have
also received a letter stating 'Terminal notice Pre-legal
action' that I am unsure how to go around.
I have attached them below so please do advise me on the matter.
Once again I received these letters three times each for each
PCN so will not clutter this forum by including those too
Once again really appreciate all the help
[attachment deleted by admin]
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Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: b789
Date: February 3, 2025, 9:17 am
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Which bit of this previous post is not understood?
--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> Criminal.. isn't it? However, stop fretting. You can safely
ignore the debt collector letters. They are powerless to do
anything except to try and make the low-hanging fruit on the
gullible tree pay up out of ignorance and fear.
>
> The debt collectors are not a party to the contract allegedly
breached by the driver. Ignore them. Use their letters a
kindling or to line the bottom of a litter tray. Never, ever,
communicate with a useless, powerless debt collector.
>
> You will now have to wait and see if/when they issue a Letter
of Claim (LoC) which you should show us. They will in due course
issue a claim which you must respond to and we will provide a
suitable defence. These claims are easily defended and in 99% of
cases, they discontinue. The very few that ever get was far as a
hearing are either stuck out or won.
>
> Come back if/when you receive an LoC.
>
--- End Quote ---
We really don't need to know about these useless bits of paper.
The debt collectors are not a party to the contract allegedly
breached by the driver and cannot do anything about it.
They certainly cannot take you to court or anything else. IGNORE
THEM!!!!
#Post#: 90191--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: msrr204
Date: September 16, 2025, 8:13 am
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Hi guys,
I hope you guys have been well. I have some recent updates
regarding my case after not hearing anything for the past few
months. Earlier this week I got letters from two different
solicitors claiming that this is the 'letter before claim' and
that I am to respond urgently. As they are from separate
solicitors I am quite worried and would really appreciate any
support/advise. If you think that they are serious and I should
just pay then I would consider that option too.
I have attached the images below and covered some sensitive
information, so I would really appreciate any support/guidance
on how to proceed. Thank you very much in advance
HTML https://imgur.com/a/EdnZbUh
#Post#: 90211--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: b789
Date: September 16, 2025, 10:06 am
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Before I give you the advice you need, please confirm that up to
this point you have had no communication with either CPM or
either BW Legal or Gladstones.
As far as CPM are concerned, do they know the identity of the
driver? You, as the Keeper, could also be the driver but no one
could know that except you. As you are under no legal obligation
to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking firm
and as none of their NtKs comply with PoFA 2012, they can only
pursue the driver, if they know the identity, which they don't,
unless you've told them.
You say that the car was left in the same spot each time.
However, the two NtKs issued on the 19/11/2024 state two
slightly different locations as:
[indent]1. Topmast Point, Barkantine Estate at 07:24
2. The Quarterdeck, Barkantine Estate at 15:15[/indent]
Is this correct?
Also, the letter from BW Legal is not an LoC and is just another
debt recovery letter which can be safely ignored.
For now, you can respond to the LoC from the utter incompetents
at Gladstones with the following:
--- Quote ---
> Subject: UK-CPM v [Keeper] — Your Letter of Claim dated
28/08/2025 — PCN [reference]
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the
claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places
reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the
Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.
>
> As a firm of supposed solicitors, one would expect you to be
capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs
3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and
6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist
for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and
proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint
yourselves with them.
>
> The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and
Protocols (Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties
should have exchanged sufficient information to understand each
other’s position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes
disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.
>
> Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to
provide one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation
upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult
to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when your side
declines to furnish the very document it purports to enforce.
>
> I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim
that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the
Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a
formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol.
Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by
sending me the following information/documents:
>
> [indent]1. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege
exists between your client and the driver, in the form of an
actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on
the material date, not a generic stock image
> 2. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms
and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon
that you allege to have been breached
> 3. The written agreement between your client and the
landowner, establishing authority to enforce
> 4. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the
principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and
whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT[/indent]
>
> I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs
6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order
to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).
>
> If your client does not provide me with this information then
I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb
Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch),
Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part
20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church
Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann
Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions
on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant
to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice
Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.
>
> Until your client has complied with its obligations and
provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to
the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it,
and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court
time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client
do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph
15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this
information is provided.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> [Your name]
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 90259--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: WhoLetTheScamsOut
Date: September 16, 2025, 3:10 pm
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OP have you checked the entrance sign to that location? iirc
it’s not even a CPM entrance sign at the time the PCN was
issued. It’s an entrance sign from a complete different operator
#Post#: 90318--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM PARKING PCN X3 - NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT - TOPMAST
POINT, BARKANTINE ESTATE
DIR By: b789
Date: September 17, 2025, 3:36 am
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I have just spent 10 minutes trying to find the location of the
alleged contravention and it is impossible to do so based on
what is on the NtK. I know roughly where the location is but I
cannot find any "Topmast Point" and there is a reference to "the
Quarterdeck" but beyond that, I can't pinpoint the location or
where the entrance to is.
It will be worth challenging on that point if it ever went as
far as a hearing (unlikely) as the NtK also fails to state the
relevant land with sufficient specificity, and you can guarantee
that the utter incompetents at Gladstones will fail to expand on
the location in their woeful PoC when the claim comes.
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