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#Post#: 54345--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: RoutineSystem4728
Date: January 21, 2025, 9:28 am
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Thank you for your in-depth answer and assistance throughout
this process. I appreciate it very much.
The written representation was done through the council portal,
I have attached the screenshot.
It seems as though, even though the council are in the wrong
here, to just pay the �64, which would give me a peace of mind.
I imagine I would end up making a silly mistake i.e missing a
deadline/not filing something correctly in the process of trying
to fight this battle. It�s frustrating because the council have
not adhered to standards both procedurally and in maintaining
the road signs, but what can we do.
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#Post#: 54396--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: Neil B
Date: January 21, 2025, 3:32 pm
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--- Quote from: RoutineSystem4728 link ---
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> It seems as though, even though the council are in the wrong
here, to just pay the �64, which would give me a peace of mind.
>
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Stupid.
Why would you do that? Nothig is difficult in your case.
Payment potentially cause many others to suffer as Newham
thinknthey can get away with it.
#Post#: 54399--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: RoutineSystem4728
Date: January 21, 2025, 4:22 pm
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I�m struggling to understand what exactly you�re doing here
besides writing annoying comments. Unlike Enceladus and the
others who have actually laid out step by step processes as well
as the alternative if I don�t want to go through the lengthy
process. Since you�re not providing anything beneficial, I�d
rather you not comment. It�s not as if I�ll be asking you to
review my appeal or witness statement with your lazy comments
and multiple spelling errors.
#Post#: 54411--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: RoutineSystem4728
Date: January 21, 2025, 4:39 pm
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This is very helpful. Thank you very much. I�m now considering
this process.
#Post#: 54434--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: Neil B
Date: January 21, 2025, 7:18 pm
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--- Quote from: RoutineSystem4728 link ---
>
> I�m struggling to understand what exactly you�re doing here
besides writing annoying comments. Unlike Enceladus and the
others who have actually laid out step by step processes as well
as the alternative if I don�t want to go through the lengthy
process. Since you�re not providing anything beneficial, I�d
rather you not comment. It�s not as if I�ll be asking you to
review my appeal or witness statement with your lazy comments
and multiple spelling errors.
>
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DON't DARE tell me when I can or can't post.
As I explained to you before, I and others may be watching and
happy that the correct info has been given to you.
In my case I haven't found the need to post in detail and prefer
not to as I'm a bit unwell at the moment.
But your ridiculous statement that you intend to pay just
infuriarated me. Don't make assumptions and, as I said before,
ask.
I agree with Enceladusin in advising you to wait for the OfR.
Your alternative of making an appeal to tribunal unilaterally is
unlikely to succeed as your terminology has been shown not to be
up to scratch.
We actually have a sticky describing the simple procees you now
need to be familiar with >
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-notic/
#Post#: 54491--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: RoutineSystem4728
Date: January 22, 2025, 6:59 am
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I didn�t say you can�t comment, just said I�d rather you not
seeing as though you were being obnoxious, and rightly so since
now you�ve decided to contribute by attaching the step-by-step
process (which mind you, has already been posted by a helpful
member, John B a few days ago).
I�m not sure why it�s infuriated you when I�ve told you the
reasoning for paying the PCN would give me a peace of mind. I
highlighted that this was due to not wanting bailiffs turning up
on my doorstep, but rather, you dismissed it as �stupid�. Why on
earth would I ask for your assistance after that?
Anyways, thank you for providing your input on the best way to
move forward. That I appreciate. I�ll make up my mind towards
the end of the week and see if I want to pay the PCN or if I
want to go forward with the appeal.
#Post#: 54579--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: January 22, 2025, 11:50 am
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Interesting issue here IMO.
As I understand it:
Date of issue of PCN: 16 June 2024.
Applicable legislation: TMA.
Date of issue of NTO: 13 Dec. 2024.
Deemed date of service: 17 Dec.
[3) Service of such a notice or charge certificate contained in
a letter sent by first class post which has been properly
addressed, pre-paid and posted is to be taken to have been
effected on the second working day after the day of posting.]
Elapsed period: 6 months and 1 day.
From the General Regs:
2) A notice to owner may not be served after the expiry of the
period of 6 months beginning with the relevant date.
4) For the purposes of this regulation, the relevant date�
d)in any other case, is the date on which the relevant penalty
charge notice was served under regulation 9.
IMO, prima facie the NTO is invalid because it's been served out
of time: the council's action in issuing the NTO on 13 Dec. was
ultra vires. However, de facto it was served on 14th Dec. i.e.
within the 6-month period.
Any views?
#Post#: 54830--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: RoutineSystem4728
Date: January 23, 2025, 5:34 pm
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NA.
#Post#: 54831--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: January 23, 2025, 5:38 pm
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Put the handbags away.
#Post#: 54833--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate
signage)
DIR By: RoutineSystem4728
Date: January 23, 2025, 5:40 pm
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