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S.172 reply
DIR By: bm1957
Date: January 15, 2025, 4:40 am
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I was caught speeding (81 in a 70) in a company car (salary
sacrifice scheme). I am also the administrator of the scheme, so
have visibility of the NIP & S.172 form sent to the lease
company (via their portal, as supporting documentation for the
admin invoice they send for dealing with the S.172). I want to
avoid the risk of timing out of eligibility for a speed
awareness course, I understand the lease company will reply
naming the company as the keeper, who will then reply (i.e. I
will reply) naming me as the keeper, I will then as the driver.
Is there anything I can do to shortcut this? e.g. use the
original S.172 addressed to the lease company (which I have a
copy of), and filling my details as driver? Or writing a letter
with my details and admission?
I see the warning that the form is only for the addressee... but
I imagine(?) this is to avoid the risk of the form being passed
on and the addressee being left 'holding the baby'. Which isn't
a risk in this instance.
Thanks
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Re: S.172 reply
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: January 15, 2025, 4:54 am
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You could cut out one step by asking the lease company to name
you directly instead of naming your employer. But if they have
already made their response that may not be an option and in any
case they may be reluctant to do that.
I suppose it depends a bit on how close your relationship with
the lease company is.
Most forces will make the offer of a course up to three months
from the date of the offence. How long ago was that?
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Re: S.172 reply
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: January 15, 2025, 5:05 am
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Received wisdom suggests that the cut off point for offering an
SAC is the driver's s. 172 response (to the s. 172 addressed to
the driver) being received/processed within 3 months of the date
of the offence, and the SAC being completed within 4 months.
Nothing you have told us suggests any reason for the process to
drag on to anywhere near that mark - other than if both the
lease company and you (as the lease company) both respond to the
s. 172 requirement with different information - which could well
confuse the sausage machine.
The only step that you could potentially shortcut is the company
being nominated, which wouldn't be much of a shortcut unless the
administrator is somewhat incompetent. If the lease company has
not already responded, you could ask them to name you directly,
rather than the company.
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Re: S.172 reply
DIR By: bm1957
Date: January 15, 2025, 11:07 am
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Thanks. Offence was 24th Dec. No personal relationship with the
lease company at all, I just run the payroll/salary sacrifice
within the business that leases the car from the lease company.
Will wait for the S.172 to the company (which will go to our
registered address first and then be forwarded by accountants!)
and hope it's all in time. Confusing the sausage machine is
exactly what I don't want to do.
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Re: S.172 reply
DIR By: itsnotmwyouno
Date: January 17, 2025, 3:14 pm
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--- Quote from: bm1957 link ---
>
> Thanks. Offence was 24th Dec. No personal relationship with
the lease company at all, I just run the payroll/salary
sacrifice within the business that leases the car from the lease
company. Will wait for the S.172 to the company (which will go
to our registered address first and then be forwarded by
accountants!) and hope it's all in time. Confusing the sausage
machine is exactly what I don't want to do.
>
--- End Quote ---
You won't necessarily need a special relationship with leasing
company to ask them to name you as an individual rather than as
a company, if they haven't already submitted your company's
details.It could be a simple situation of asking them if they
would do it. This won't confuse the sausage machine, whereas
replying as an individual to a S172 to a company may well do so.
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