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#Post#: 4245--------------------------------------------------
TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: troolykool
Date: September 1, 2023, 8:54 am
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Hi experts!
I've been hit with a PCN for contravention 31: entering and
stopping in a box junction when prohibited, however I was moving
as I was turning left! There is no footage to suggest that I
stopped in the junction - The timing of the images show that the
car is continuously moving. The picture also doesn't show that
there is standstill traffic ahead of the car infront of me -
whenever I turn here, I ensure the traffic is moving so that
there is enough space for me to avoid the junction. I've been
using this junction for over 10 years and have never had a
problem before.
Furthermore, there are at least three cars that have clearly
stopped in the box junction but it looks like their number
plates were blocked each other, and the camera couldn't capture
them. It only got mine as I was turning left and moving so it
was visible. I find this unfair as I didn't stop and the other
cars clearly have stopped but their number plates aren't
visible.
I am keen to make a representation - do I need to request video
footage to show I was moving? Any expert advice on this would be
hugely appreciated.
All info you might need is below.
Thanks
PCN: GX09553231
GSV:
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PCN Images:
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#Post#: 4246--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 1, 2023, 9:54 am
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Only the video footage will be able to confirm our contradict
your recollection of events. Annoyingly this isn't made
automatically available and you have to call TFL to request it.
Do this asap and check they are putting the discount on hold
while it is sent to you on DVD.
Once you have it, upload somewhere publicly available and post
up a link for us to check.
#Post#: 4259--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: troolykool
Date: September 1, 2023, 3:47 pm
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Do they still use DVD?! Surely they can provide me with a link
via email which i can then share here? Any idea who I should
email, what to say and how to get confirmation the discount is
on hold?
Thanks.
#Post#: 4261--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 1, 2023, 4:16 pm
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No email link I'm afraid, you need to call them (I think the
number is 0343 222 3333). Simply give them your PCN reference
number and say you'd like to see the video evidence. They'll
offer to post you the DVD. I believe their process is to
automatically put the discount on hold for a couple of weeks but
I'd suggest getting verbal confirmation of this when you speak
to them.
#Post#: 4267--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: troolykool
Date: September 2, 2023, 5:00 am
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What a nuisance! Do any of the other points I raised have any
weight in my case? The pictures showing the car has moved within
seconds, the other cars who were stationary but number plates
blocked so got away etc?
#Post#: 4270--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 2, 2023, 5:13 am
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Get hold of the video and written confirmation they will put the
matter on hold. We can only verify your account when we see the
video. If you call them, record it.
#Post#: 4273--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 2, 2023, 6:13 am
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--- Quote from: troolykool link ---
>
> What a nuisance! Do any of the other points I raised have any
weight in my case? The pictures showing the car has moved within
seconds, the other cars who were stationary but number plates
blocked so got away etc?
>
--- End Quote ---
To be blunt, no. Short of a procedural blunder by TFL, the
video is the sole evidence that will determine your fate.
#Post#: 4290--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: September 3, 2023, 4:35 am
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Both back wheels were in the box and didn’t move for a number of
seconds ( one is enough to contravene ) as each photo is timed.
It is a bit of a miserable Pcn but not wrong in law. I think you
would lose at the tribunal unless TfL decided for an unknown
reason not to contest or made a blunder in their evidence.
#Post#: 4292--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: troolykool
Date: September 3, 2023, 5:38 am
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Ok, so do you think it’s not worth pursuing with video evidence
given the pictures ? If I do get the video evidence and make a
rep and don’t win, will the discount be lost?
The fact that it’s only very slightly part of my back wheel and
that this has never happened before in last 10 years I’ve lived
there won’t count?
#Post#: 4293--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL Box junction but I was moving! Battersea Bridge Road/
Battersea church road
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 3, 2023, 6:35 am
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It's always worth getting the video as, even if you are shown to
stop in the junction, various other elements need to be present
in the footage to prove the contravention. Eg the video has to
show you entering (you'd be surprised how often it doesn't).
Even if you do stop within the box, the video has to show this
was due to a stationary vehicle blocking you in etc
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