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#Post#: 53197--------------------------------------------------
Traffic lights and yellow boxes
DIR By: Korting
Date: January 13, 2025, 12:48 pm
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Let us say one is driving in heavy traffic, I come up to a set
of traffic lights that are on green, after the white line, there
is a gap and then a yellow box junction.
I pass the stop line completely but stop outside the yellow box
because the other side of the junction is blocked. The lights
then turn red. As I have passed the stop line, can I proceed
across the box junction when the other side is clear? (Assuming
its safe to do so)
Even more important is what if after the stop line, there are no
traffic lights after the junction, How is one to know if the
lights have changed?
As far as I'm concern are these manoeuvres completely legal?
After all, you can be prosecuted for just moving very very
slowly over the white line, and drivers have been done. So I
consider the above to be above board and legal.
#Post#: 53204--------------------------------------------------
Re: Traffic lights and yellow boxes
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: January 13, 2025, 1:20 pm
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You cannot pass a red light. You cannot stop in a box junction
(except when turning right against traffic). If you are doing
neither, and it is safe to do so, why do you think that the
presence of the traffic light and the box junction impose some
other requirement?
Obviously, if you are stopped at/on the stop line and cannot see
the traffic lights, knowing whether or not they are red (or
amber) would be a problem. More specifically, it would be your
problem.
#Post#: 53252--------------------------------------------------
Re: Traffic lights and yellow boxes
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: January 14, 2025, 4:36 am
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--- Quote from: Korting link ---
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> I pass the stop line completely but stop outside the yellow
box because the other side of the junction is blocked. The
lights then turn red. As I have passed the stop line, can I
proceed across the box junction when the other side is clear?
(Assuming its safe to do so)
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes.
--- Quote from: Korting link ---
>
> Even more important is what if after the stop line, there are
no traffic lights after the junction, How is one to know if the
lights have changed?
>
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As far as I am aware it has been held that you cannot be in
contravention of a section 36 sign that cannot possibly be seen.
But in the UK there's normally a traffic light opposite the
junction for exactly this reason.
--- Quote from: Korting link ---
>
> As far as I'm concern are these manoeuvres completely legal?
>
--- End Quote ---
Subject to the manoeuvres being otherwise safe, yes they would
appear to be.
--- Quote from: Korting link ---
>
> After all, you can be prosecuted for just moving very very
slowly over the white line, and drivers have been done.
>
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I don't understand the relevance of this comment at all?
#Post#: 53344--------------------------------------------------
Re: Traffic lights and yellow boxes
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 14, 2025, 1:45 pm
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I was thinking the same yesterday when crawling in heavy traffic
on Euston Road. There was no traffic light beyond one junction
and I was over the stop line at the start of a box.
I waited until the traffic behind started to move before
crossing but it was hardly worth going across anyway as the road
was jammed.
#Post#: 53533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Traffic lights and yellow boxes
DIR By: Dave Green
Date: January 15, 2025, 3:37 pm
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
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> You cannot stop in a box junction (except when turning right
against traffic).
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You can also stop in a box junction due to the presence of
pedestrians.
I know that this isn't too common but it's worth pointing out
that turning right against traffic isn't the only permissible
reason for stopping.
#Post#: 53755--------------------------------------------------
Re: Traffic lights and yellow boxes
DIR By: tonys
Date: January 17, 2025, 3:07 am
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--- Quote from: Korting link ---
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> Even more important is what if after the stop line, there are
no traffic lights after the junction, How is one to know if the
lights have changed?
--- End Quote ---
If you're past the stop line, does it matter?
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