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TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: Authority
Date: January 9, 2025, 5:42 am
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This is clearly designed to be a speed trap as there werent even
any roadworks on road, speed was already dropped from 70 to 60.
Then only on barricade where camera was, was it dropped to 50.
Digusting especially due to how similar a 6 and a 5 are when on
the board of overhang barricade
I was sent the ticket well over 14 days after the alleged
offence (although they say they had wrong address initially) so
can’t be charged from a legal perspective anyway, i was asked if
i was the driver on 29th of November for an alleged offence on
the 19th of September at 1:35am. I admitted i was the driver but
not that i should be charged of anything. I then received an
offer of fixed penalty/ speed awareness course on the 13th
December nearly 3 months after the alleged
Offence.
I actually remember the day of the alleged offence well as often
highway maintenance put cones on the road even when there is no
work being done, or for miles before the work, to create a speed
trap by reducing the speed limit on clear/empty roads.
The speed on the barricades was changed from 70 down to 60 NOT
50, which is the speed i was doing (the camera would not have
flashed at my speed, which takes into account circa 10% leeway)
i think a jury would also agree eyesight on a speedometer needle
is not the clearest
ALSO, As i was going/ approaching the last Bridge/barricade it
then signalled a 50 speed limit (on the very last barricade)
I remember the camera flashing and being extremely surprised, i
assumed a mistake and thought nothing of it and that i wouldn’t
receive anything as it must have been a malfunction.
Bearing in mind this is an average speed camera too, it would be
nearly impossible to change an average speed of previous
barricades (a few miles long) down to 50…
A 60 sign is also very similar to a 50, i am curious to see how
many other people were flashed that day.
I have never been flashed and charged by a speed camera before,
this is my first alleged offence and appeal ever as i know i
didnt nothing wrong, especially looking back at nearly a decade
of driving and no offences like this
I had the option of a speed awareness course (no points or fine)
but have chosen this route as i know i did nothing wrong
I have a history of paying fines that are legitimate even if i
don’t agree/like them, I paid two congestion charges for (£90x2)
paid recently even though i was never notified i was in a
congestion zone and was asked by a colleague to travel to the
location.
See there attached response. I dont blame police, this is the
council and highway maintenance trying to get every penny they
can
I still plan on going to court and represent myself, if i lose i
also plan on not paying, presumably i cant go to prison for such
a minor offence. I hate people who basically steal money from
the public. I would rather pay a lawyer more and have morals
than pay even the smallest amount to such bogus
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#Post#: 52624--------------------------------------------------
Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: January 9, 2025, 6:38 am
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If you’re fined and refuse to pay then you can very much go to
prison, yes.
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Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: mickR
Date: January 9, 2025, 7:56 am
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you say they had the wrong address, is/was your V5 not up to
date?
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Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: 666
Date: January 9, 2025, 9:22 am
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--- Quote from: Authority link ---
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> See there attached response. I dont blame police, this is the
council and highway maintenance trying to get every penny they
can
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Any fine or fixed penalty goes to the Treasury. Neither the
council nor Highways England have any financial incentive.
#Post#: 52654--------------------------------------------------
Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: January 9, 2025, 9:44 am
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From your description I assume you passed a number of overhead
gantries which displayed "60" and finally one which displayed
"50" and it was this final one which flashed and resulted in
enforcement.
This is not an average speed stretch. It is a variable speed
limit motorway, and the variable speed is displayed on each
gantry. You must not pass a gantry in excess of the speed
displayed, regardless of what speed was displayed on the
previous gantries.
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> I still plan on going to court and represent myself,
--- End Quote ---
If my assumption above is correct, how do you intend to defend
this charge in court? The police will probably produce a
photograph of your car together with one of the speed displayed
on the gantry, taken at the same time.
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> i think a jury would also agree eyesight on a speedometer
needle is not the clearest
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There will be no jury involved. Your trial will be judged either
by a District Judge sitting alone or more probably by a Bench of
three magistrates. If you cannot read your speed using your
speedometer you should consider either getting your eyesight
checked or having a replacement speedometer installed. Whatever
is the cause of the problem, it will not provide a defence to
the charge.
If you are convicted (and your speed was 65mph or less) you will
pay a fine of half a week's net income, a surcharge of 40% of
that fine and prosecution costs of around £650. You will also
have three points imposed on your driving record. The court will
make a "collection order" and if you do not pay as directed
measures will be taken by the fines enforcement office to
recover the sum from you. This may mean bailiffs visiting your
address. If that is unsuccessful the matter will be returned to
court and the court may make an order to have monies deducted
from your earnings or benefits, as appropriate. If that is also
unsuccessful, ultimately you can be sent to prison for
non-payment.
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> I dont blame police, this is the council and highway
maintenance trying to get every penny they can
--- End Quote ---
Neither the council nor the highways authority have anything to
do with this. Whilst the reduced limit is imposed by National
Highways, they receive no benefit from it. Course fees are split
between the course providers and the police; sums paid in fines,
fixed penalties and surcharges go to the government's funds;
prosecution costs go to the prosecuting authority.
Do let us know how it goes.
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Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: January 9, 2025, 10:59 am
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This thread was moved to the Flame Pit from the active cases
forum, because the OP was clearly not seeking advice, but to
have a rant, and to inform those who might be interested how he
was intending to stick it to the man.
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Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: Freecall
Date: January 9, 2025, 11:15 am
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--- Quote from: Authority link ---
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> I still plan on going to court and represent myself, if i lose
i also plan on not paying, presumably i cant go to prison for
such a minor offence.
>
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If offence you mean is simply a minor sppeding offence then you
are correct but if the offence to which you refer is the
non-payment of a court fine then you most certainly can and
under the circumstances you describe probably would.
#Post#: 52666--------------------------------------------------
Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: January 9, 2025, 11:24 am
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I suggest the OP gets over the denial and anger phases of the
Kubler Ross Change Curve, and moves on towards the acceptance
phase before the offer of the speed awareness course expires.
#Post#: 52668--------------------------------------------------
Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: mickR
Date: January 9, 2025, 11:45 am
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do they do a course called, reality awareness ?
#Post#: 52752--------------------------------------------------
Re: TRAP Speeding ticket appeal driving down m25 to leatherhead.
DIR By: BertB
Date: January 10, 2025, 4:32 am
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Loved that OP, it was nearly a full house! I just need to know
the posters views on the Covid vaccination and Bill Gates.
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